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Spun
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07/10/2019 12:01 pm  

Here are the results of my experiment with toremifene citrate.
Dosing was 50mg per day, single dosage between 5am to 7am.
Training level was moderate.

Baseline Testosterone: 831ng/dl

After two weeks tested Testosterone: 1220ng/dl

Tests were performed at the same AM time of day before training.

There were some very minor acne sides.

There were general symptoms of higher test including more morning wood and slightly more aggressive/assertive behavior. Oh, also significant increase in seminal volume, enough to illicit complaints from the girlfriend. I think the term was "choking load," so watch out for that.


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07/10/2019 12:20 pm  

🙂

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07/10/2019 12:51 pm  

lol

u gonna try clomid?

50mg nolva is quite a load?

I heard 25mg Clomid does the job quite well. No need to go crazy with dosages.

I think your test levels will increase a bit more prob to around 1300 - 1400 as it's a long acting oral.

ok not sure if i missed something. toremifene citrate - something new???


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07/10/2019 1:13 pm  

It's nolva and 50mg daily is a lot. Spun, how long did you run Nolvadex?

Also, just to toss an idea out there, my guess is Clomid might be the better choice if it's not for pct?

Anyone?


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07/10/2019 1:43 pm  

Tormefine citrate and raloxifine are the newest generation of SERMs. they do not have any negative effect on liver values (nolva has some), and both help good cholesterol levels.

i like ralox as it is by far the best anti-gyno compound around. it also has some positive effects on bone density. Tormefine is supposedly the best for PCT. I have used it, and thought it did work faster than Clomid for this purpose. it also did not screw with my emotions as much as Clomid does.

if i remember right i researched these on the AM forum.


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08/10/2019 12:50 pm  
Posted by: fa seeshus
Tormefine citrate and raloxifine are the newest generation of SERMs. they do not have any negative effect on liver values (nolva has some), and both help good cholesterol levels.

i like ralox as it is by far the best anti-gyno compound around. it also has some positive effects on bone density. Tormefine is supposedly the best for PCT. I have used it, and thought it did work faster than clomid for this purpose. it also did not screw with my emotions as much as Clomid does.

if i remember right i researched these on the AM forum.

Yup!

...and it's better than Clomid or nolva in my opinion.

Good work bro!

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08/10/2019 1:08 pm  
Posted by: fa seeshus
Tormefine citrate and raloxifine are the newest generation of SERMs.

Ooops. Spoke too soon. My bad.


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08/10/2019 1:31 pm  

Big increases in libido reported by quite a few users as well.

liftsiron is a fictional character and should be taken as such.


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08/10/2019 1:48 pm  

All of my research suggested that toremifene is likely to be an improvement over both Clomid and Nolva.

A common dosage is 60mg with this being similar in effect to 20mg of Nolva.

I was using 50mg/ml liquid, so 1ml was easier to measure.

I'm suspicious that a 25mg/ml dose might be sufficient to accomplish the same effect and likely I'll test to see if this is an effective dosage next.

I'm also curious about combining a small dose of Arimidex with a small dose of toremifene as a way to maintain "natural" high levels of Test with minimal dosing.

Raloxifine also sounds interesting.

If anyone is using a liquid form of toremifene I would highly recommend dosing with an infant medicine syringe. These syringes are the kind that are sold with products like infant liquid Tylenol or Advil. They are small enough to fit into the toremifene bottles and they are graduated, so it is relatively easy to measure out milliliter quantities.


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08/10/2019 2:13 pm  

hi

learnt a lot here. will see if my source stocks this.

I was referring to 25mg Clomid, which I have seen does work quite well. frontload using 50mg for a week and then run 25mg say 6-8 weeks.

anyway. doing short prop cycles anyway. my natty test always soars one week after last shot. it may be my body overcompensating or maybe the Clomid i take. I take only 50mg ed for 10 days.

But it is working very well to be honest. long breaks. 2 weeks on 6 weeks off.


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08/10/2019 2:34 pm  
Posted by: Spun
...I would highly recommend dosing with an infant medicine syringe...


I'm using a slin syringe for this. Kinda primitive, but I took a pair of pliers and pulled the pin out. It gives very fine tuned increments.


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08/10/2019 3:02 pm  
Posted by: 20yearsRacing
I'm using a slin syringe for this. Kinda primitive, but I took a pair of pliers and pulled the pin out. It gives very fine tuned increments.

That actually sounds better than what I came up with.
I'd guess that a slin syringe would be skinny enough to fit into the bottle.


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09/10/2019 7:23 am  

Yes, it does.


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09/10/2019 7:53 am  

Re: Toremifene Citrate Experiment Results

Posted by: Spun
Here are the results of my experiment with toremifene citrate.
Dosing was 50mg per day, single dosage between 5am to 7am.
Training level was moderate.

Baseline Testosterone: 831ng/dl

Your lucky to have such a high baseline. That great for an endurance guy.

Dr. Chrisler is giving a talk on Sermorelin at the A4M National convention in December so he isnt giving out a bunch of Information before then.


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09/10/2019 8:23 am  

Re: Re: Toremifene Citrate Experiment Results

Posted by: kataking
Your lucky to have such a high baseline. That great for an endurance guy.

Thanks.
I always thought I had low test, until I finally checked it.
I figured low test caused my "attitude" problem, but maybe it is high test. wtf.

Now if only my natural crit was 50 instead of 43.5.


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