Winstrol Opinions

Good : Decent cutting drug, that maintains strength and libido well.

Bad : Little to no gains even in high doses, possibly slightly progestagenic and increases cortisol receptors, making it a poor choice at the end of a cycle.

Posted by: Big Cat

Good : Decent cutting drug, that maintains strength and libido well.

Bad : Little to no gains even in high doses, possibly slightly progestagenic and increases cortisol receptors, making it a poor choice at the end of a cycle.

What would be a better choice for a cutting cycle?

winstrol is a popular AAS to end an cycle with and you yourself have advocated that i the past. What would be a good substitute instead? Or, should one simply not end with an oral AAS at all?

bad: winny can cause joint problems
bad: it is a 17aa and thus liver toxic

four weeks of Tren A at the end of a cycle will in combination with proper diet and cardio give great results.

jb

Posted by: Big Cat

Good : Decent cutting drug, that maintains strength and libido well.

Bad : Little to no gains even in high doses, possibly slightly progestagenic and increases cortisol receptors, making it a poor choice at the end of a cycle.

Summed up very well.

Posted by: Big Cat

Bad : Little to no gains even in high doses, possibly slightly progestagenic and increases cortisol receptors, making it a poor choice at the end of a cycle.

Progestagenic ? It's the first time i come across this info.You mean it acts as a progestin or increases progesterone release ? I'm very interested in learning more about this ,because i'm very sensitive to progesterone gyno and it's a possibility winstrol could be a factor here,i include it every cycle.
Also about increasing cortisol receptors,does this mean it makes you more receptive to cortisol and that it needs to be used with a strong cortisol blocher like halo for exampl ?

Posted by: gtrack

Progestagenic ? It's the first time i come across this info.You mean it acts as a progestin or increases progesterone release ? I'm very interested in learning more about this ,because i'm very sensitive to progesterone gyno and it's a possibility winstrol could be a factor here,i include it every cycle.
Also about increasing cortisol receptors,does this mean it makes you more receptive to cortisol and that it needs to be used with a strong cortisol blocher like halo for exampl ?

Bump that. It's very peculiar specially having in mind the anedoctal anti-progesterone habilities of winstrol.

strange...cos a lot of ppl seem to use it at end of cycle. Think tren is awesome. I'd even do Tbol.

Also it seems extreme and rapid lipid inversion even at low doses...something that seems apparent in a lot of ppl on winstrol who do blood tests.

Posted by: haskan

What would be a better choice for a cutting cycle?

Winstrol is a popular AAS to end an cycle with and you yourself have advocated that i the past. What would be a good substitute instead? Or, should one simply not end with an oral AAS at all?

That is the general rule of thumb, although Halotestin would be good, since it has the opposite effect to most AAS, in reducing GR. Of course you need to deal with increased liver toxicity and the discomfort of a strong anti-glucocorticoid (agression, joint pains, etc). But it will increase the look of density in muscle, and preserve muscle mass very well, both during the end and after the cycle.

Posted by: gtrack

Progestagenic ? It's the first time i come across this info.You mean it acts as a progestin or increases progesterone release ? I'm very interested in learning more about this ,because i'm very sensitive to progesterone gyno and it's a possibility winstrol could be a factor here,i include it every cycle.
Also about increasing cortisol receptors,does this mean it makes you more receptive to cortisol and that it needs to be used with a strong cortisol blocher like halo for exampl ?

Like most AAS it has anti-gluco activities as well, so that on-cycle you needn't concern yourself with the GR increasing properties. Its just a concern when you end a cycle with it, because in coming off, obviously, an increased GR count is not ideal. Halo would indeed be a better substitute.

The progestagenic effects of winny are extremely minimal, and likely of little concern as well. I only mention it, because some have in the past suggested winny was an anti-progestin because it bound the PR. the data however seems more in favour of very slight activation than blocking.

Posted by: Interficium

Bump that. It's very peculiar specially having in mind the anedoctal anti-progesterone habilities of winstrol.

That's why I mentioned it. That's a myth.Winny is not anti-progestagenic, but likely slightly progestagenic. Secondly, its affinity for the PR is considerably smaller than that of progesterone or Progestagenic AAS, so that it couldn't even function as an anti-progestin if indeed it was one.

Posted by: Zircon

strange...cos a lot of ppl seem to use it at end of cycle. Think tren is awesome. I'd even do tbol.

Indeed. As haskan remarked, in the past even I believed it to be well suited for that aim. Its properties made it a good candidate. But sadly new research disproves this, and suggests that it is not wise to run orals toward the end of a cycle, or alone.

Posted by: Big Cat

That is the general rule of thumb, although Halotestin would be good, since it has the opposite effect to most AAS, in reducing GR. Of course you need to deal with increased liver toxicity and the discomfort of a strong anti-glucocorticoid (agression, joint pains, etc). But it will increase the look of density in muscle, and preserve muscle mass very well, both during the end and after the cycle.

Are there any short acting injectable AAS that would accomplish the same thing that could be used the last 2-4 weeks of a cycle?

Posted by: haskan

Are there any short acting injectable AAS that would accomplish the same thing that could be used the last 2-4 weeks of a cycle?

Tren Acetate or masteron prop.

I concur. Both will actually do the job better than winstrol.