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guijr
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Just wondering if repeating the same cycle and the same dose represents a waste of time.

For example if an a user repeats a cycle of 500 mg/test cyp/week for 8-10 weeks, would he be wasting his time regarding muscle gain?

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how long have you been off?


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Nope, just keep the dose-response relationship characteristic of steroids in mind. Also, remember that you need a greater amount of androgen with great LBM.

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Re: Same cycle, same dosage again?

Posted by: guijr
Just wondering if repeating the same cycle and the same dose represents a waste of time.

For example if an a user repeats a cycle of 500 mg/test cyp/week for 8-10 weeks, would he be wasting his time regarding muscle gain?

That would be a bit like saying that the last 10 weeks in a 20 week cycle with 500mg Testosterone are a waste, wouldn't it?


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not a waste at all. in fact that is really the way to do it.

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how long have you been off?

I've been on TRT for more than a year now. Right now I'm doing 250 mg/week of Sutanon for replacement purposes.

Why?

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Nope, just keep the dose-response relationship characteristic of steroids in mind. Also, remember that you need a greater amount of androgen with great LBM.

Nice advice.

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Posted by: jboldman
not a waste at all. in fact that is really the way to do it.

jb

You mean a 20 week cycle?

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LOL I think he meant keeping your dosages pretty consistent, going for mild cycles with consistent gains.

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thanks r2e.

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guijr
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LOL I think he meant keeping your dosages pretty consistent, going for mild cycles with consistent gains.

I see, but I thought he was trying to say that a 20-week cycle would be the way to go as we can see on the following abstract:

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Bhasin S, Woodhouse L, Casaburi R, Singh AB, Bhasin D, Berman N, Chen X, Yarasheski KE, Magliano L, Dzekov C, Dzekov J, Bross R, Phillips J, Sinha-Hikim I, Shen R, Storer TW. Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001;281(6):E1172-81.

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Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength and regulates other physiological processes, but we do not know whether testosterone effects are dose dependent and whether dose requirements for maintaining various androgen-dependent processes are similar. To determine the effects of graded doses of testosterone on body composition, muscle size, strength, power, sexual and cognitive functions, prostate-specific antigen (PSA), plasma lipids, hemoglobin, and insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) levels, 61 eugonadal men, 18-35 yr, were randomized to one of five groups to receive monthly injections of a long-acting gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonist, to suppress endogenous testosterone secretion, and weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 wk. Energy and protein intakes were standardized. The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively. Fat-free mass increased dose dependently in men receiving 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly (change +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively). The changes in fat-free mass were highly dependent on testosterone dose (P = 0.0001) and correlated with log testosterone concentrations (r = 0.73, P = 0.0001). Changes in leg press strength, leg power, thigh and quadriceps muscle volumes, hemoglobin, and IGF-I were positively correlated with testosterone concentrations, whereas changes in fat mass and plasma high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol were negatively correlated. Sexual function, visual-spatial cognition and mood, and PSA levels did not change significantly at any dose. We conclude that changes in circulating testosterone concentrations, induced by GnRH agonist and testosterone administration, are associated with testosterone dose- and concentration-dependent changes in fat-free mass, muscle size, strength and power, fat mass, hemoglobin, HDL cholesterol, and IGF-I levels, in conformity with a single linear dose-response relationship. However, different androgen-dependent processes have different testosterone dose-response relationships.

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Why cycle when already on a supraphysiological dosage of test?


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Posted by: razg
Why cycle when already on a supraphysiological dosage of test?

Staying on supraphysiological doses of test has consequences. Most would not suggest going this route for the sake of health.

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Posted by: ready2explode
Staying on supraphysiological doses of test has consequences. Most would not suggest going this route for the sake of health.

That's what I think. Off topic but I'm going to a 12-16 weeks cycle on mid-may.

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Posted by: ready2explode
Staying on supraphysiological doses of test has consequences. Most would not suggest going this route for the sake of health.

I think you misread my point.


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