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02/11/2018 6:43 am
I want to do a long cycle of low dose Test Prop, 10 weeks 150-200mg/wk, I will also take HCG during the final weeks.
I may be tested following this cycle so I think I have the following options for PCT:
1) No PCT, I don't want to do this but at least I know that I will be clean in a few weeks, and have no chance of a test in this period.
2) Use large dose of HCG following the test to stimulate test produstion, this will increase the time i can test positive but is at least managable. But i think I will still be shut down when the HCG wears off, correct?
3) Use nolva/clomid for a short period, how short a period is OK for this dose? I can't find any information of how long you can test positive for these, I don't think anyone tests positive for these, is that because it is gone quick or because people don't take PCT?
Does anyone have experience of test use and PCT or not in competitions where you can be tested? What did you do, no PCT?
What do the pro's who do test do if they are likely to get tested?
Thanks for the help
02/11/2018 7:42 am
Re: low dose test and shut down I'm no pro, and everyone's experience is different, but my 2 cents is that you avoid option one. I've skimped on PCT three times now, and twice I've felt like crap for a few weeks......
My last cycle of 250mg test and 200mg of Deca...I just did Clomid for a week and a half (25mg)....way too little. Had a low energy level and when I went to the gym I'd have to drink a redbull just to have the will power to lift......and on the bike willpower...yea right. And my work productivity declined noticably.....
BTW, this is the same thing that happened to me after a cycle of 20mg (20 measly mgs!!) of Tbol. Except I skipped PCT altogether.
My cycle of 250mg of plain test, I cant really comment on, as I injured myself and couldnt work out anyways.....
After my next cycle....I'm doing the *full* PCT regimen. I'm no expert, but I am an expert on how not to do gear.....
1) No PCT, I don't want to do this but at least I know that I will be clean in a few weeks, and have no chance of a test in this period.
02/11/2018 8:36 am
i've talked with a guy who only uses only hcg for pct, and he claims good results. however he ran it for 10 days at 50 units a day. he is a cyclist as well.
02/11/2018 9:14 am
hcg is not for pct, as it does not stimulate the htpa, hcg restores nut size that's it boys. Everyone reacts a bit differantly to aas but for most a std. pct would be required after 10wks of prop. You maybe able to get by starting pct five days after last inject and run Clomid three weeks at 100mgs ed.
liftsiron is a fictional character and should be taken as such.
02/11/2018 10:08 am
HCG mimmicks LH, which releases testosterone. Also generally excess estro it seems.
WHen u stop HCG the feedback loops arenot restored, LH will be 0, and you will produce no test for a while.
So pct is what u need.
But u may be able to just leave it a while, and do pct later.
02/11/2018 10:58 am
Don't skip PCT!
I have done this cycle a few times and it works well.
wks 1-12 of 250 mg Test-E and wks 1-10 of 400 mg EQ
PCT (started 10 day after last shot of test)
500 iu of HCG eod for ten days and then 100 mg Clomid for 1 wk and 50 mg for 3 weeks with some proviron thrown in.
i will be starting a winter cycle of 250mg of test for 12 weeks and will use this same PCT protocol
02/11/2018 11:31 am
Zipp what is approx. weight gain at 250test E P/W . Thanks M/Track.
02/11/2018 12:06 pm
mt
just a couple pounds for me i believe i ride off most of the water gain
btw just finished an IGF1-LR3 cycle and I feel it really helped with recovery and my lifting workouts (maxing out all around)
02/11/2018 12:53 pm
mtjust a couple pounds for me i believe i ride off most of the water gain
btw just finished an IGF1-LR3 cycle and I feel it really helped with recovery and my lifting workouts (maxing out all around)
Thanks I am also considering Igf1 I am off Hgh now .I have heard good and not so good about Igf1.During the last 2 years I have used every brand of Hgh known to man .It is ok ;but not really worth the money even at my low doses (max 2iu e/d mainly 1.5iu eod) What type of Igf1 did you use and what doseage.Sounds good! M/track
02/11/2018 1:52 pm
started with about 50mcgs eod but upped it to about 80mcgs eod (it is media grade) used a "research chemical" company for the first 1000mcg and used Omega for the second 1000mcg
Omega was better but pricier
02/11/2018 2:24 pm
do you guys think pct is needed after a few weeks of test-susp@ 50mg a week?
02/11/2018 3:15 pm
do you guys think pct is needed after a few weeks of test-susp@ 50mg a week?
probably not.
liftsiron is a fictional character and should be taken as such.
02/11/2018 4:06 pm
started with about 50mcgs eod but upped it to about 80mcgs eod (it is media grade) used a "research chemical" company for the first 1000mcg and used Omega for the second 1000mcgOmega was better but pricier
Yes have heard EOD works better than ED with Igf1. M/tarck