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Herrdobermann
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02/05/2019 4:10 pm  

Hello,

Im keen to get my hands on some good books dealing with AAS for a newb? can anyone point me in the right direction please with some recomendation.

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02/05/2019 4:55 pm  

The best place to start right now is Anabolics 2005 by William Llewelyn.

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02/05/2019 5:46 pm  
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The best place to start right now is Anabolics 2005 by William Llewelyn.

That is a pretty fair book. Also review threads on this board.

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02/05/2019 6:34 pm  

I happened to get a free copy of Anabolics2005, and think it's really good...it's hardcover and stuff, and looks cool (and respectable) in my office next to Greys Anatomy and My A&P; books and stuff....it's leaps and bounds better than the 2004 version thats a soft cover, which just doesn't look cool on a bookshelf. And of course, the info in it is really top notch- right now, I'd say it's the benchmark for AAS books.

Without turning this into like...some kind of shabby plug for myself...I'll just say that I also have written a book (it's in my Avatar, and is 350+ pages) and it's at the printer's currently (being published by a third party), so that'll be on sale next month some time.


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02/05/2019 7:27 pm  

Hooker Let us know when that comes out. I'd love to read it.


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02/05/2019 8:27 pm  

I just found out that it'll be finished in about 3 weeks from now, although it could take up to 30 days.


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02/05/2019 9:07 pm  
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I just found out that it'll be finished in about 3 weeks from now, although it could take up to 30 days.

Thanks chaps, Im going to order ASAP on Anabolics 2005.Hooker your book looks like another essential purchase.Can I ask how will it differ from Anabolics 2005 though?


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02/05/2019 9:43 pm  

Anabolics2005 is, in fact, a great book. The only thing I take issue with in it is that there isn't a lot of creativity in it. It's basically profiles that are very conservative, and not much is done with some of the more recent and interesting research involving various Anabolics and such. Here are a few examples:

Llewellyn lists the proper dose of Arimidex as 1mg/day.

Ok...yea...you can take 1mg/day...but why would you do that when current research suggests that half that dose (.5mgs) is basically equal to a full 1mg dose (1)? I mean....yeah, you can save half your money on Arimidex, so why wouldn't you just do .5mgs? Why isn't that in there?

He tells you how much HCG to use, yet tells you to use it with clomid even though although Nolvadex is the better choice, and has PROVEN to be VERY synergistic with HCG (3)(4)...and why doesn't he tell you that vitamin E will raise the blood plasma Testosterone response to HCG (2).

And...I mean...why use Ketotifen ($40/box) to upgrade Beta-receptors, when Benadryl is 1/10th the cost? Benadryl works to have the same effect as Ketotifen, and does so by inhibiting phospholipase A2, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, which in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly.

I guess what I'm saying is that the research is there...but it (to me) reads like a catalogue or textbook, and doesn't really have many creative or interesting approaches to anabolics. I wrote my book to be what I'd want to read...like...easy to understand, but very cutting edge...you know?

I guess, I'm saying (and of course I'm biased) that I'd prefer a more Duchaine-type approach to things...put a theory out there, tell us something new, ya know?

None of this is to say Anabolics2005 is not a really cool book, I just prefer a different flavor, I guess.

My typical contention is that, just based the ideas above (Benadryl, halving your Arimidex dose, etc...) you could buy my book, then save enough money on your next cycle (just use 1/2 as much arim, use some vitamin E and lower your HCG dose a bit, and benadryl instead of Ketotifen for beta upgrade), to buy yourself a copy of Anabolics2005. And 2006.

Anyway, either my account here (or my pc, or my connection, or all of them) is messed up, so I probably won't be replying after this, but I'm sure you'll be able to find me around the 'net if you look. And the book will be in Barnes, Borders, Amazon, etc...so it's gonna be out there to find.

References:

1. "Estrogen Suppression in Males: Metabolic Effects." The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 85, No. 7 2370-2377

2. "Effect of vitamin E on function of pituitary-gonadal axis in male rats and human subjects."Umeda F, Kato K, Muta K, Ibayashi H.

3. Andrologia 1991 Mar-Apr;23(2):109-14
"Effect of an antiestrogen on the testicular response to acute and chronic administration of hCG in normal and hypogonadotropic hypogonadic men: tamoxifen and testicular response to hCG."

4. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1980 Nov;51(5):1026-9 "tamoxifen suppresses gonadotropin-induced 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone accumulation in normal men."

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02/05/2019 10:36 pm  

Hooker... Don't you just love JCEM. I've been doing a lot of research there lately.


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02/05/2019 11:08 pm  

I can vouch for both books ... I think. Bill sent me anabolics 2002 when that first came out. The anabolics series reads well, makes a few, but no major mistakes (usually in regards to some guesswork about lesser known steroids) but more than compensates by being very complete as far as the different products that are covered, and Bill does offer one or two interesting insights into the matter. Few people know that Bill was the first to point out that oxymetholone was not progestagenic. I can vouch for that by the way, I have the study

From hooker I've only read his profiles online. They also give the impression of being complete, although sometimes he wants to be too complete, including a lot of research that really isn't relevant. I'm guessing what will be in his book will be better than his online profiles. I am currently writing one myself, or rather finishing one I was writing with Karl (nandi - may he rest in peace) and the material is lightyears ahead of what my old profiles were, which many consider to be the best online still. If indeed that is the case, his book should be as good or better than anabolics 2005

I think both books will be as close to the best that is currently available.

I'd plug my book, but you'll have to wait quite a while before you'll find that for sale. I don't really need to plug much, it was a collaboration between myself and Karl, that really plugs itself It offers another perspective, perhaps more theoretical than our two predecessors here, but with all the research we have gathered over the years incorporated. We both dreamed of writing the quintessential work on the matter, I hope I can come as close to that as possible. Only then will I feel like I did Karl's name justice.

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02/05/2019 11:42 pm  

Re: I'm hooker....that account is having problems...

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[i]He tells you how much HCG to use, yet tells you to use it with Clomid even though although nolvadex is the better choice, and has PROVEN to be VERY synergistic with HCG (3)(4)...and why doesn't he tell you that vitamin E will raise the blood plasma testosterone response to HCG (2).
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I hope you also mentioned that this is the result of Vitamin E's anti-androgenic action and that Vitamin E supplementation should not be used during a cycle or longer than post-cycle ...

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03/05/2019 12:40 am  

Re: Re: I'm hooker....that account is having problems...

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I hope you also mentioned that this is the result of Vitamin E's anti-androgenic action and that Vitamin E supplementation should not be used during a cycle or longer than post-cycle ...

Hooker and Big cat I look forward to reading your works as and when
they come out.Im not sure im understanding this right Big Cat but should Vit E not be used on a cycle at all? if Vit-E is anti-androgenic would this also be a reason to avoid Vit-E in general juicing or not?


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03/05/2019 1:23 am  

I would strictly use supplemental Vitamin E in the post-cycle. Which does not mean you should start avoiding that little bit of Vit E in your multi-vitamin of course ...

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Herrdobermann
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03/05/2019 1:55 am  
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I would strictly use supplemental Vitamin E in the post-cycle. Which does not mean you should start avoiding that little bit of Vit E in your multi-vitamin of course ...

Thank's big cat I take extra Vit-E as well as my multi-vit @ 200 I.U's a day.Im shocked I always read Vit-E was essential in regards antioxident properties and CNS recovery for the BB!!!


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03/05/2019 2:27 am  
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From hooker I've only read his profiles online. They also give the impression of being complete, although sometimes he wants to be too complete, including a lot of research that really isn't relevant. I'm guessing what will be in his book will be better than his online profiles. I am currently writing one myself, or rather finishing one I was writing with Karl (nandi - may he rest in peace) and the material is lightyears ahead of what my old profiles were, which many consider to be the best online still. If indeed that is the case, his book should be as good or better than anabolics 2005

Thanks..yeah, some of the profiles were written in the beginning of the project, when Brian (owner of Steroid.com) had a heavy hand in what was going on in them, and wanted them to include something, or be longer, than I felt they needed to be (example: a profile for Danocrine, in my opinion would read "Who Gives a SHit?" and thats all...but clearly this isn't acceptable when someone's paying for profiles to be written for his site). I also get wordy with a bunch, including trivia that isn't essential (my Dianabol profile contains the information that John Zeigler created it, and that Dan Duchaine's mail order steroid company was called the "The John Ziegler Fan Club"). SO, yeah, some profiles are longer than necessary, and contain stuff I think is cool or interesting..but not at all necessary, or in some cases relevant (The John Ziegler Fan Club)...Anyway, I've made an effort to change all of them, in at least some small but recognizable way, for the book. It's not just profiles, though, as you'd expect...there's a very long legal section written with a lawyer, and a bunch of stuff I think (hope) makes it unique.

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I hope you also mentioned that this is the result of Vitamin E's anti-androgenic action and that Vitamin E supplementation should not be used during a cycle or longer than post-cycle ...


Yeah...I reccomend supplemental Vitamin E during PCT, but not otherwise, other than whatever amount is in your multi.

There's a chapter dedicated to nutrition, which is actually pretty long and has that kind of information; each chapter in has a written introduction, which generally explains what's going on in the chapter, above and beyond the drugs and how to use them (i.e. the chapter on Thyroid meds explains thyroid function before the thyroid profiles, the chapter on Ancillaries explains their use in a cycle as well as for PCT, which is where the vitamin E for PCT info is, etc...).


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