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Big Cat
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08/07/2019 6:38 pm  

I usually advise 2500 every 5 days for week 10, 11 and 12 then ( 10000 IU total) for a PC crash dose. Too much, too frequent could have a reverse effect. So you need to space crash doses for shock value.

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Zircon
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08/07/2019 7:01 pm  

ok thats high dose low frequency. Is that better than say dividing 2500iu up into eod doses? why do you need the big whammo effect of taking a large HCG hit?

Also after a fairly mild cycle like 10 week test e 500mg, the protocol you described above would be overklill? IIf so, in what way? Too much stimulation, which in turn forces your body to produce too much test (and in turn estro?) which upsets the apple cart/ equilibrium?

THat's why I was wondering after a mild cycle perhaps take only 2 shots 2500iu hcg spaced 5 days apart?


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HitMeBack
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08/07/2019 7:23 pm  

2500iu is very high for a single dose. It shoots estrogen sky high, which causes a lot of sides.
Imo, it's not a good idea to inject more than 500iu of HCG in a single dose. The 2500iu dose is what Dr Michael Scally used in that study which was posted a while back (written by Michael Mooney), but many of the guys on the men's health forum over at Meso who experimented with his 'kickstart protocol' were not able to tolerate such a high dose of HCG. Many found that 1000iu in a single dose was too high as well.


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jboldman
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08/07/2019 7:52 pm  

but there are as many who tolerate very large doses with no apparent side effects. i would include myself among those. i think you need to remember that the meso mens health forum is represented by a larger than normal population of men that do not start out with a fully functional hormonal system.

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HitMeBack
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08/07/2019 8:09 pm  

One would imagine that men who "do not start out with a fully functional hormonal system" would be less senstive to the side effects of HCG, than men who do start out with a fully functional hormonal system.


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jboldman
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08/07/2019 8:40 pm  

you might think that but it does not seem to be the case, example is skyrocketing estrogen levels when these do not seem to be an issue in most eugonadic men.

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guijr
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08/07/2019 9:02 pm  

Interesting (but sad) those guys at Meso seem in a eternal struggling for tuning (and I'm not talking about fine tuning)... it's just insane, they are always trying to control E2. But I have to admit they are not eugonadal men, some never were .

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HitMeBack
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08/07/2019 9:28 pm  

Correct, especially pmgamer, although I suspect most of his problems are between his ears rather than high E2...


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jboldman
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08/07/2019 9:54 pm  

jb


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Zircon
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08/07/2019 10:13 pm  

hmmm

I dno. i guess for starters I'd rather stick to 1000iu eod for 10 days or so.

But I have seen this before esp to ppl who don't respond well to hcg...they switch from ed routine to realyl whackin in a large dose of 2500iu..and it seems to work.

I guess the usual rules apply...no person is the same.


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