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rhinofight
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I know it's been covered in many different forms, but I've been away a while from the research, and started wondering what you guys would expect to see from a "cycle" consisting of var (50mg), peptides/gh,aromasin, and proviron? The key thing here, i believe, is the lack of test and the shutdown of your own production. I realize it makes sense to add the test, but what about without? Would the aromasin stimulate test production? Obviously you're going to experience some gains from the var and gh alone.

goals would be: some mass, mostly hardening/shaping, and performance.

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ready2explode
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Var will shut down your htpa.

The only way aromasin stimulates test production is by reducing estrogen levels and thus, negative feedback.

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Right. Aromasin will only stimulate test prodution when there's no exo androgen. Will even work as pct.

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i really think this is a bad idea. your estrogen levels are going to be low anyway from supressing your test with the var, using aromasin on top of that serves no purpose other than to completely reduce your estro levels to nil. you need estrogen for many things and having NO estrogen will not be a positive thing. try the same cycle without aromasin if you must and let us know, many have done this with success.

Anavar will negatively effect your lipids so be prepared for that and proviron will do essentially nothing.

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liftsiron
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Aromasin is an AI, anyone using it for test production in building muscle is foolish. However with var and HGH you would see some gains. Remember var messes up the blood lipids.

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rhinofight
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Great refresher course! Thanks guys! Informative explanations. I actually added the test on friday, because I figured as much.


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I ran HCG 2x per week on a Var only 6 week cycle. I felt like the HCG kept my testes putting out enough Testosterone to keep my mood good and it made PCT pretty much unneeded although I did a short PCT anyway.

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rhinofight
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interesting point kata. I've got plenty HCG on hand to keep the boys in the barn.


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Seabiscuit Hogg
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Posted by: kataking
I ran HCG 2x per week on a Var only 6 week cycle. I felt like the HCG kept my testes putting out enough testosterone to keep my mood good and it made PCT pretty much unneeded although I did a short PCT anyway.

How much HCG 500 iu?

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kataking
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Posted by: Seabiscuit Hogg
How much HCG 500 iu?

it varied between 250iu to 500iu per injection, so 500 to 1000iu per week. No rhyme or reason to why I pinned different amounts just some days I felt like I needed more so I took it.

Dr. Chrisler is giving a talk on Sermorelin at the A4M National convention in December so he isnt giving out a bunch of Information before then.


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bigpapabuff
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I like running aromasin during cycle, helps prevent bloat and gyno, may hinder your gains but better than having gyno problems.


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