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hawaii58
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07/02/2020 5:29 pm  

Why do tren users stack test with there tren e?? I have heard that you have to stack it and then i have a couple buddies that say they have used it alone and had great results still.


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07/02/2020 5:58 pm  

you can use it alone. I prefer to stack it with test. Actually, any aas I use I stack with test. Given that all AAS will stop you natural test production I prefer to have some still in my system.


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07/02/2020 6:20 pm  

indeed. Apart from general health concerns (for which you should always use a small amount of test in any stack) it complements the tren quite well in terms of building sheer mass, and most of all, in general you feel better as well. Not many people feel all that comfortable on high dose Tren Alone.

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hawaii58
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07/02/2020 6:44 pm  

what are the general health concerns? even tho it supresses nat test levels doesnt the tren act like a form of test in your body?


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07/02/2020 7:15 pm  

Testosterone fulfills a million and one functions in the human body. The reason we even have other AAS is because they act somewhat differently, this can range from effects on different receptors, lack or less effect at certain receptors, recruitment of different co-factors to the AR in different tissues all the way to metabolism into different or completely new metabolites. For health purposes it is therefor a good idea to at least use a minmal dose of test that mimics natural levels.

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07/02/2020 7:43 pm  

i have always thought that using tren alone suppresses your natural test, as a result your estrogen levels drop. some of the animal studies suggest that estrogen is synergistic with tren for growth. adding in some test will help stabilize your estrogen.

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Big Cat
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07/02/2020 8:04 pm  

It is questionable if you can extrapolate that data though, in some of those studies the estrogen proved more anabolic than tren, something we know is definitely not the case in humans. And in that logic any estrogenic compound would do, while personally I'm quite adamant about keeping low dose test in any cycle.

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hawaii58
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07/02/2020 8:22 pm  

what do you consider low dose?


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07/02/2020 8:51 pm  

I'm not BC, but for me it would vary from 200 to 400 mg/week.

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Big Cat
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07/02/2020 9:14 pm  

Actually only 100 would more than suffice to mimic natural test levels with a cycle. But personally I would always use in excess of 250 as part of a cycle, simply because test is one of the best anabolics in the world and seems to offer great synergy with most other AAS.

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07/02/2020 9:40 pm  

BC, IME 100 mg per week would let some people feel a little tired from that dose. I do not recommend it, specially for bigger guys. By you may try it.

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Big Cat
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07/02/2020 10:05 pm  

I wouldn't recommend it either, but its more than sufficient to mimic natural test levels, so if you really don't like test, you can go as low as 100 a week.

Personally I don't see why anyone would run a cycle without test as the base drug.

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07/02/2020 10:32 pm  
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Personally I don't see why anyone would run a cycle without test as the base drug.

Test + Tren = Gyno from Hell (for an unlucky few).

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