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kokage
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15/08/2018 4:30 pm  

Hallo I just what to be 100 % sure that this cycle is good to go!

1-2 750mg test e(500mg Monday - 250mg Thursday)
3-12 500mg Test E (250mg monday - 250mg thursday)
1-14 50mg proviron ED
15-16 40 mg Nolvadex ED
17-18 20mg nolvadex ED
With my last shot Test I will inject 1500 iu HCG E5D x 3

What do you guys think. ?? Is it bulletproff ?


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Zircon
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15/08/2018 5:08 pm  

yeh it looks good. I might rather split hcg up into 500iu eod doses but up to you.

PCT coudl eb a bit longer to be sure. 5-6 weeks.

What is the proviron for?


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Hardway
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15/08/2018 6:01 pm  

15-20 20mg nolvadex ED

Its not neccessary to use 40mg ED, studies show no difference in LHRH stimulated gonadotropin and Testosterone response or the E2/T ratio and the effect on sperm density and total sperm output.


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kokage
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15/08/2018 6:42 pm  

What is the optimal dose of nolvadex then. during pct ?

Proviron is an Anti-e and produces natual test. Drains you from water, No bloat. Nice sex enhancer. Makes you hard.

How about the frontload is it good ?


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jboldman
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15/08/2018 7:44 pm  

proviron is not an anti-e and does not produce natural testosterone. I would not take it during pct unless you are experiencing severe sexual side effects.

frontload is fine.

jb


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kokage
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15/08/2018 8:21 pm  

jboldman. Im happy that you are saying that my frontload is fine.. (your the only) Evrybodyt else says it dosent matter. OR frontload with 1 g week 1 and 2


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kokage
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16/08/2018 5:34 am  

If you read the profile on proviron on the net - any site. You will see it keeps natual test 150 % higher and it will help you gain more on test cycles. Good anti-e compund no bloat from testosterone. Please comment on the frontload. Always get diffrent opinions on the frontload some says 1 g x 2 weeks. Other say dosent matter. ??!!


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liftsiron
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16/08/2018 6:36 am  
Posted by: kokage
If you read the profile on proviron on the net - any site. You will see it keeps natual test 150 % higher and it will help you gain more on test cycles. Good anti-e compund no bloat from testosterone. Please comment on the frontload. Always get diffrent opinions on the frontload some says 1 g x 2 weeks. Other say dosent matter. ??!!

proviron gives you more from a test cycle because it reduces SHBG which is a good thing.

liftsiron is a fictional character and should be taken as such.


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kokage
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16/08/2018 8:13 am  

Agree. Then it must be logic to take proviron on a test only cycle.. What is yor openion on frontload ? The amount - stabel blood level asap. ?!


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BigSwole33
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16/08/2018 9:19 am  

I got good results from proviron on the sex side.....but then again it could have been the 2000mg of test enan per week!


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kokage
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16/08/2018 10:18 am  

bump


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16/08/2018 11:07 am  

Okay, I'll chime in...

1. The frontload is good enough, IMO. Even more simple and efficient would be simply to take 750mg the first day (e.g., Monday,) and then revert to your usual 250mg Th/M protocol. That is optimal; your method is okay, too.

2. As JB pointed out above, Proviron is *not* an anti-estrogen. Nor an anabolic of any note, either. If you want more kick from the test, a simpler way to achieve it would be to up the dosage, I think. Whatever... it won't hurt (but I'm not a big fan of Proviron.)

3. Earlier in the thread, you already got very good advice about stringing out the Nolvadex to six weeks and splitting the HCG post-cycle.

4. You might want to have a bona-fide anti-E handy, just in case. (In a pinch, a SERM like nolva will work, too.) 500mg/wk is a modest dose that doesn't generally require the use of Anti-Es, but you never know completely. I once got elevated E (nothing major and no symptoms to note, but way out of range on bloodtest) while on a TRT dose (125mg/wk.)


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kokage
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16/08/2018 12:08 pm  

So you are suggesting that I onlt frontload in 1 week ? Will try the proviron got enough of the stuff. And damn its expensive. hehe

Will take the pct protocol 5-6 weeks until I dont have any more nolvadex. Got 100 x 10mg.

Proviron has a small anti-e effect so I think this is enough.


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Trevdog
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16/08/2018 12:42 pm  

I don't care what any profile may say - Proviron has NEVER been shown to have any anti e effect. You rely on it to your own peril. It will NOT increase natural Testosterone and I have never observed it increasing the effectiveness of my test, although I have used the two together extensively. Its nice for its effects on your sex drive and that's about it.

You could increase your frontload dose to 1000 mgs. for the first 2 weeks.


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