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guijr
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14/09/2018 8:49 am  
Posted by: Zircon
why were their test levels so low? The guys on 20mg a week must have felt like crap!


Indeed, they felt like shit and there were some drop outs due to low weekly dosages.

Posted by: Zircon
And the guys on 125mg a week had levels of only 542? THat's odd, I woudl have expected at leats double that.

Also for 600mg a week I would expect higher than 2300 odd.

No, that's really what you read, on day 7 my total test level was about 700 ng/dl (reference ranges: 300-1000 ng/dl). I was shooting just once a week, that means a new 200 mg/2ml shot on every day 7 (which was always on Sunday morning). Test levels were checked (before 10:00 AM) prior next shot .

"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.


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Zircon
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14/09/2018 9:29 am  

"Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength and regulates other physiological processes, but we do not know whether testosterone effects are dose dependent and whether dose requirements for maintaining various androgen-dependent processes are similar. To determine the effects of graded doses of testosterone on body composition, muscle size, strength, power, sexual and cognitive functions, prostate-specific antigen (PSA), plasma lipids, hemoglobin, and insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) levels, 61 eugonadal men, 18-35 yr, were randomized to one of five groups to receive monthly injections of a long-acting gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonist, to suppress endogenous testosterone secretion, and weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 wk. Energy and protein intakes were standardized. The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively. Fat-free mass increased dose dependently in men receiving 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly (change +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively). The changes in fat-free mass were highly dependent on testosterone dose (P = 0.0001) and correlated with log testosterone concentrations (r = 0.73, P = 0.0001). Changes in leg press strength, leg power, thigh and quadriceps muscle volumes, hemoglobin, and IGF-I were positively correlated with testosterone concentrations, whereas changes in fat mass and plasma high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol were negatively correlated. Sexual function, visual-spatial cognition and mood, and PSA levels did not change significantly at any dose. We conclude that changes in circulating testosterone concentrations, induced by GnRH agonist and testosterone administration, are associated with testosterone dose- and concentration-dependent changes in fat-free mass, muscle size, strength and power, fat mass, hemoglobin, HDL cholesterol, and IGF-I levels, in conformity with a single linear dose-response relationship. However, different androgen-dependent processes have different testosterone dose-response relationships."

Ok...I wasn't referring to you...was referring to the study...it shows that with doses it was like this

253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the

25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively...so at 125mg a week it was 542.

Am I missing something here? i just thought 125mg a week would give you about 1000 ng/dl with some variation?


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Zircon
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14/09/2018 10:25 am  

so u were shooting 200mg every week and you only got 700ng/dl??

THis is v odd...I always thought around 100mg would get you about 700ng/dl...


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Zircon
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15/09/2018 7:54 am  

I mean guys like miggy doing 150mg test e per week get good results??

I rem a post of miggy where he was doing 150mg a week and gettin a reading of around 1300ng/dl? or am I mistaken?


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Bilter
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15/09/2018 5:49 pm  

I made great gains on 200mg PW at an age of 24. I am not sure what my natural test levels were at the time (I was to ignorant to even think about it). Now adays I still keep dosages to a minimum, still make descent gains. I did find last year though that my natural test level was at 352. I had been off for over 3 years before it was checked. Not sure how long they were that low.

But anyway guijr, glad you are satisfied with your results.


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Zircon
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15/09/2018 6:27 pm  

Bilter how old are you?

THats a low score, do you feel fine without aas?

WHat was your free test level?
Thanks


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guijr
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15/09/2018 7:05 pm  
Posted by: Zircon
I mean guys like miggy doing 150mg test e per week get good results??

I rem a post of miggy where he was doing 150mg a week and gettin a reading of around 1300ng/dl? or am I mistaken?

You gotta check the refences ranges which vary a lot from lab to lab, so 1300 ng/dl may be within a normal range in a certain lab.

"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.


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guijr
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15/09/2018 7:51 pm  
Posted by: Bilter
I made great gains on 200mg PW at an age of 24. I am not sure what my natural test levels were at the time (I was to ignorant to even think about it). Now adays I still keep dosages to a minimum, still make descent gains. I did find last year though that my natural test level was at 352. I had been off for over 3 years before it was checked. Not sure how long they were that low.

But anyway guijr, glad you are satisfied with your results.

Thanks dude.

"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.


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