Lean bulking with tbol....
I have a thread on "cycles" just recently asking about my soon to be Tbol cycle. Heres the link that explains everything: Not sure if this is ok.....
I'm trying to go a clean bulk with tbol only, so my questions are:
1) What dosage should I run it at t allow me to gain 8-10 pds?
2) How long should i run it? (I was thinking around 7 wks)
3) How many calories should I consume to make it a clean bulk? (needed calories to break even if doing 0 exercising is 4000)
I appreciate everyone here for helping me out!
Turanabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's. It has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low - only 6 - and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of methandienone is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Turanabol is recommended in wasting diseases and HIV symptoms since it does not aromatize.
Effective Dose: 20 - 50mg/ day
When you say clean bulk, what do you mean. It seems like you want to have a low BF% and be ripped? Is this correct? If this is so, 4000 calories is high, if you want to cut up, this is what t-bol is designed for. T-bol is a very safe but very effective anabolic for a cutting cycle. If taken alone, you will not gain 8-10lbs of LBM even with 50mg's a day. You should add test to this also, just use a lower mg amount that you normally use. You can run T-bol 8 weeks, as it is very safe, and longer, if you want. Everybody bodies are different and only you would know what mg will suit your needs.
Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milligram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Testosterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concentration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.
0.4 x pound (body weight) x days=number of tablets to take overall during the interval of intake
mg / tablet
An athlete weighing 200 pounds would take only 4 tablets of 5 mg (20mg/day.) In our experience bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason Oral Turanabol is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.
Due to its characteristics Oral Turanabol is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg Oral Turanabol/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg winstrol depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fatburning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy looking muscle system. If Oral Turanabol were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.
Oral Turanabol enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often posed question regarding how many days before a test Oral Turanabol can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take Oral Turanabol as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.
The potential side effects of Oral Turanabol usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposition, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dosages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with Oral Turanabol Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with Oral Turanabol An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestosterone is 17-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus Oral Turanabol is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg Oral Turanabol/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects.
if it were me i would take test in addition to tbol to see the greatest effects. gaining 8lbs of lean mass if hard to do in 6 months with a ton of gear and alot of food never mind a few tabs of tbol.
if i were you and wanted 10lbs of leaner tissue i would add some test and eq and run tbol for 4 weeks at the start of the cycle and 4 weeks at the end of the cycle.
you also have to have a very clean diet with alot of quality foods to get the desired effects.
*Disclaimer*: "DoubleWide" is a fictitious character with the sole purpose to entertain & theorize on the use of Anabolic Steroids for intellectual discussion. Any information or advice given out, stated, or implied by "DoubleWIde" is for entertainment purposes only & should not be considered the advocation of any illegal activity.
I'd run the cycle for 4-7 weeks. Oral steroids give fast results and then they sort of lose their kick. If you use them for too long then you just put more stress on your liver and make recovery more difficult.
As far as your diet goes, just increase it by about 500 calories a day. The extra calories should come from lean protein and vegetables. You're not going to gain 10 pounds of muscle while losing a bunch of body fat at the same time. People that try to lose a lot of fat while gaining a lot of muscle simultaneously just end up not getting much of either. You need excess calories to gain muscle and you need a calorie deficit to lose fat; so in other words you are wasting your time by trying to do both at the same time although it is possible if you're willing to add in a whole list of other drugs to your cycle. Do 6 weeks of bulking with the Tbol, and then focus on losing fat after the cycle. You can do another little cycle of Clen or Albuterol immediately after finishing the Tbol. That will help you keep your muscle and strength gains while losing any fat you might have gained while taking the Tbol.
I start noticing gains from Tbol at just 30mg a day. This is only your second cycle so you're not going to need ridiculous amounts to see results. You can ramp up the dose to save money, or you can just take the same dose for 4-7 weeks. You can plan for another cycle of Tbol too. Get 500 tabs of Tbol and take 5 tabs (50mg) a day for 50 days, recover and wait a month or two, and then do another 5 tabs a day for 50 days. A little warning for Tbol is that some people get sick when they take it for too long. I thought it only happened to me, but I've met several people that get flu/cold symptoms when they use a high amount of Tbol for over 5 or 6 weeks. I also get tendinitis fairly easy when using Tbol.
Some other things you could consider taking with it are things like DHEA and Tribulus. However, it's just an easy oral only cycle. Don't try to make it so complicated or you'll risk screwing up the whole thing. Take 40-60mg of Tbol for 4-7 weeks and focus on gaining muscle, then use Clomid and a fat burner to recover and lose the fat. It's that simple.
Thanks el mucho and everyone else who helped me with this. I was thinking that 500 cals over my normal was about right in order to gain leanly. I wasn't really looking to cut down bf, but just not go up very much at least(I'm at 12-13%). I wouldn't mind though if i did lose 1or 2% though!!!
So one last question: If I'm going to run my cycle like this (rough draft), what should my nolva for pct look like?
wks 1-2 (30 mg/ed)
wks 3-4 (40 mg/ed)
wks 5-7 (50 mg /ed)
Nolva????? Maybe..... 40/20/10 or.... 30/20/10
The answer to that is on the end of your other thread Matt.
It looks like a good cycle, will give it a try myself sometime
Weights - Wimmin - Beer - Metal
4000 calories is a lot of calories at 12-13%BF, for cutting up, inwich what I gather this is really not your goal. If you increase your calories, I wouldn't be looking for a decrease in your BF%. T-bol is not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass.
I have taken T-bol and it can be taken for long periods of time. I have taken it for 12 weeks and no sides at all. Again, a very safe effective steroid taken during a long duration, the only thing is your receptors over time will shut down to it and not absorb as much. T-bol was supposed to be a replacement for Winstrol, definitely not for me, but it can be taken with Winny because Stanozolol is a 17aa compound. As I mentioned above a good stack would be to add some testosterone, and around 200 mg Parabolan/week, which was made by Negma and stopped being made in 1997 and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week.
I took true Parabolin in the mid 80's, and this product was incredible. The Guru, Dan Duchaine has written many articles on Parabolan, and is considered and expert.
Parabolan (which is Trenbolone Base + a HexaHydroBencyl Carbonate Ester) is easily obtained from most major Underground Labs.
Along with Winny, I would use Tr-Tren150 = 50mg/ml Trenbolone Acetate -50mg/ml Trenbolone Enanthate and 50mg/ml Trenbolone Hexadrobenzylcarbonate, or they do make the original Parabolan compound;
Molecular weight of base 270.3706.
Molecular weight of ester 130.1864 (hexadrobencylcarbonic acid, 7 carbons)
Progestatinal activity-Low to moderate.
Total API concentration: 80mg/ml.
80mg/ml Trenbolone Hexadrobnzylcarbonate.
Effective dose 80 – 160mg every 3 days