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Vic
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17/06/2019 8:17 am  

Understood, wrong use of terminology.

So what is the answer?

Also, how much will the use of nolva throughout my cycle affect my gains?


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r1ddl3r
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17/06/2019 8:41 am  

It's good for 60 days after mixed.

"....use Pregnyl and Novarel within 60 days of mixing. Store mixed solutions of Pregnyl, Novarel, and Profasi in the refrigerator."

From http://health.yahoo.com/drug/d00572a1

As for nolva, use if needed. Some estrogen is good for you.


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Vic
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17/06/2019 9:02 am  

Can i mix the Poise and Test as a single shot or is it better to administer them separately?


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r1ddl3r
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17/06/2019 9:22 am  

Both oil based, so no prob mixing them in a single shot.


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17/06/2019 9:42 am  

Don't mix water and oil based in the same dart - increases bacteria count in a matter of hrs. Also, the Nolvadex and HCG will hinder your gains because it blocks the needed estrogen to grow. I got gyno and just lived with it until after the cycle. You can hit nolvadex hard after your cycle is over. HCG is useless unless there you stop injecting.


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r1ddl3r
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17/06/2019 10:02 am  

HCH is NOT useless, on cycle. Low dose HCG on cycle, keeps the boys up, so you dont need to bring them back when you go off. If I am not mistaken, the late Nandi, stated, that the limiting factor in restoring the HTPA is the function of the testicles.


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ready2explode
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17/06/2019 10:30 am  
Posted by: Adroitracer
Don't mix water and oil based in the same dart - increases bacteria count in a matter of hrs.

Not true. Both should, and do, contain BA. BA is a bacteriostatic agent.

Posted by: Adroitracer
Also, the tamoxifen and HCG will hinder your gains because it blocks the needed estrogen to grow.


The tamoxifen portion argument is debatable. Yes, estrogen is needed to maximize gains, but just how much estrogen is the question. The hcg portion of the argument is false. Hcg doesn't block estrogen.

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I got gyno and just lived with it until after the cycle. You can hit nolvadex hard after your cycle is over.

True, but it seems silly to do so. Why would anyone take that chance? Even if gains are somewhat hindered, they aren't completely stiffled.

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HCG is useless unless there you stop injecting.

This is incorrect also.

"In any contest between power and patience, bet on patience."
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17/06/2019 10:46 am  

Vic- Oil and water based types of gear do not mix period. bacteria WILL grow and if you wait to shoot the gear it can grow huge amounts of bacteria causing an abscess of bacteria that can spread and cause havic. Trust me on this. I have seen guys in the hospital because of this. I have 20+ yrs of experience with gear with and without physician support. I've run cycles over 2g per wk for over a yr ALL with precausion I learned from physicians physiologists and top ranked pros. I had gyno and tried all the estrogen blockers. I wound up having the tissue removed by a physician. Ultimately if you want lean muscle mass without gyno and water weight, drop the test and stay with deca and Winny. Better yet, switch the deca for EQ and the test for masteron and you should have a very lean cycle with little to no chance of gyno or water retention. That's a solid cycle. I hope this helps. Good luck.


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r1ddl3r
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17/06/2019 11:10 am  

quote:


drop the test and stay with Deca and Winny


That is solid advice.

...if you dont want to have a working dick for months.


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17/06/2019 11:36 am  

best thing prob maintenance test with eq and masteron...but u also lose hair on that i guess

Deca and winny...no thanks...I would only run deca low dose with test, and stop it 4 weeks earlier. Winny i dont touch


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Vic
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17/06/2019 12:04 pm  

Thanks for the advise,

So far no sign of the gyno, actually feels like the little lump is getting smaller and i havent started with the nolva. What i have done is reduced the test a bit to 300mg/ week and kept the equipoise @500mg/ week. Still very wary of the gyno tho and will keep a close eye on things.

First week down 11 more to go, havent seen any noticable changes yet.... waiting patiently!

What are you thoughts on drinking winni ED as opposed to injecting EOD? Is the pain of extra injections worth that little extra potency? First time using the winni!


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17/06/2019 3:27 pm  

Winny is a bit harder on the liver since it is a 17aa so pay attention to your liver value. If you can have your DP run a pannel, you will know where you stand. Look at Milk Thistle and Saw Palmello as preventative measures though 12 wks and the dose you have shouldn't be a big problem.

Yes, you loose potency by drinking. Everyone's physiological make up will be different so it is hard to tell exactly how much you will looose. Diet and BF going into the cycle will effect the absorbtion rate as well so stay as lean as you can for maximum effect. Personally I don't like neddles but suck it up and shoot to get the most out of the gear. However, if you think you might passout (I've seen it happen) or get sick, drinking winny is an added option.

I loose about 50% on avg of the potency by drinking. My last Winny cycle I was 5'11", 240lbs, 5% BF so the absorbtion was fairly high for me.

Hope this helps. Good luck.


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Adroitracer
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17/06/2019 3:51 pm  

I found little difference between ED vs EOD. So i use Winny EOD.


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17/06/2019 4:21 pm  
Posted by: Adroitracer
Winny is a bit harder on the liver since it is a 17aa so pay attention to your liver value. If you can have your DP run a pannel, you will know where you stand. Look at Milk Thistle and Saw Palmello as preventative measures though 12 wks and the dose you have shouldn't be a big problem.

Yes, you loose potency by drinking. Everyone's physiological make up will be different so it is hard to tell exactly how much you will looose. Diet and BF going into the cycle will effect the absorbtion rate as well so stay as lean as you can for maximum effect. Personally I don't like neddles but suck it up and shoot to get the most out of the gear. However, if you think you might passout (I've seen it happen) or get sick, drinking winny is an added option.

I loose about 50% on avg of the potency by drinking. My last Winny cycle I was 5'11", 240lbs, 5% BF so the absorbtion was fairly high for me.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

Don't take me wrong, but I don't think that Saw Palmetto will protect his liver.

"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.


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