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vagrant
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05/08/2019 6:49 pm  

So I've spent a few months reading all I could about TRT, talking with my doc, studying about AAS...

I've learned a good bit, but it seems to create more questions the more I learn.

I'm on my TRT - just starting to work - I feel almost normal again. It's too early to have full effect, but still I think the way I feel now compared to before, when I'm getting full effect and my levels are all the way to normal I'm going to feel like superman.

So test is good.

Once all is regulated and right, I'm going to do maybe 2 cycles/year.

Here's what I've got on my mind.

For starters:

Week 1-10 test e 500mg/week
Week 1-10 deca 250mg/week
Week 11 - back on TRT
Week 13 40mg nolva/day
Week 14 30mg nolva/day
Week 15 20mg nolva/day
week 16 20mg nolva/day
Weeks 13-16 are just to ease the transition off back down to TRT. I know PCT is probably not necessary for someone on TRT, but probably can't hurt - besides I've already got it.

After a couple of cycles of this maybe on the 2nd cycle maybe on the 3rd or fourth I'll make one little change and this is where the conflicting info from my reading and need for guidance comes in.

Same cycle - except add to week 1-4 dinabol 50mg/day with nolva 20mg/day to control the sides. I'm really too old to want to grow breasts now. Perhaps the 50mg/day is too much and I should use 20mg/day?

Now that the decision is made I will know all there is to know about AAS before I ever stick the first non-prescribed needle in my butt or pop the first non-prescribed tab. So I will probably occasionally have random thoughts and questions that I'll post. Some of them may be dumb to experienced folks, but I'm going to ask anyway so please bear with me. And thanks for the help so far. You guys have helped me find my way to getting the right help from my doc, and now my life seems to be better. My training is really kicking ass too - and that's without full test effect even working yet. Probably the difference is just from eating more. The slightest improvement I've gotten so far is so much better than the way I've felt in the past.

Thoughts about the future cycles? Thanks.


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05/08/2019 7:09 pm  

I think you are going to see some nice and maybe even impressive gains if diet and routine is in check
NTG


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vagrant
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05/08/2019 7:28 pm  

Diet - just right (finally eating to gain).

Training - I'm doing HST - and love it. 1/2 inch gains all over my body in the last month. I seem less fat - I'm up 23lbs, big crazy looking veins all over me. Like I said, love it. yeah yeah, I know it's water gains from replacing what I lost when I had pneumonia and got dehydrated but still - it feels good and it's looking pretty good too.

I do see a problem with HST when I start doing cycles though - it only lasts 8 weeks for a training cycle with a mandatory week off. I've got to find a way to extend that through the PCT time so that I don't lose what I gained during the training cycle...all of this without getting overtrained or injured.

So how does the oral "kickstart" for the 2nd cycle and beyond sound - good, bad, waste of time? If it's a good idea, D-bol sounds safer, however Anadrol doesn't sound too bad. Suggestions for this?


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05/08/2019 7:45 pm  

Seriously, bro, the time you've put into the research will pay you back 10 fold.

The cycle looks good. If running 500 mgs of test e, then I would probably run 400 mgs of deca with it not the 250.

My question is if you are doing hrt now, why wouldn't you add the 500mgs to the hrt, cause if you run the 500 and your hrt wkly is say 150 then you are only upping your test 350mgs. Personally, I would want to run my cycle on top of my normal, not on top of my subnormal.

Second cycle I would shake it up with some EQ instead of deca and run the cycle a few weeks longer

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vagrant
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05/08/2019 8:12 pm  

And that nitrateman is why I ask the questions. 250 deca seems to me to be enough - but as I still have no experence, just what I've read.

Wouldn't going with 400 right away for a newbie be a bit much, leaving me with nowhere to go if the body stops responding to it? What about, and pardon me (any ladies reading) for being indelicate here - what about deca dick? I really don't want to end up being impotent. Right now, with just some test going things around the house are much better than before. My wife is happier with my therapy than I am. Stuff going on here that hasn't happened in well, a very long time. going on, and on, and on... I'd really hate to mess that up. I think she'd be kind of mad at me if I allowed that to happen just to look good.

Now about huge monster cycles. I do bodybuilding and powerlifting just for me. I'll never compete. I've got a wife and children so I'm not trying to "bulk up" to catch the ladies. Although in the last few weeks they have been noticing me - I'm not terribly interested...an ego boost, but still - I'll just stay home that's the kind of guy I am. This is my one thing I do for me and me only - to improve my appearance to something that I like. To improve my physical ability to defeat the weakness caused by MS. And to allow me to lose my triathlons with a bit more dignity - looking a bit better in the transition area with abs instead of flabs. And to prove that a bodybuilder can actually finish those things. So I'm small and weak, but in my last tri - I was still the biggest there and that's pretty sad. I finished, but that's all I can really say - I set a new worlds record for slowest finish I'm sure.

Anyway back on point - due to my reasons for doing this - I don't see the need for doing the biggest, baddest cycle out there.

What would be the difference between using 250 deca vs 400 deca with my test? Would 400 not be too much for a beginner to AAS?

And about the 500 test - My understanding is that natural test is suppressed by a cycle. What little I have is suppressed by my TRT and what I'm having injected is all I'm getting at this point. So 500 for me would be the same as 500 for someone with normal levels.

Anyway, that's my understanding which admittedly is very limited at this point. I still have much to learn and you guys are a great help. Like I said, I will know it all before doing the first one that's not from my doc.

Oh yeah, and my TRT dosage is embarrassingly high. It's bad to have lost enough manhood at my age to need this much. When the doc got the final set of labs she was almost in a panic telling me how dangerously low they were and that was what was causing the rest of my endocrine system to fail - something about partial anterior pituitary failure related to damage to my CNS and all the lesions in my brain from the MS. My MRI's have looked like swiss cheese for quite some time now. I didn't even know that AP failure could even happen to men, just women who lost too much blood during childbirth.

On the other hand, it's pretty awesome to have a doc that is supportive in all of this.


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05/08/2019 8:39 pm  

I like you vagrant. You put youre time in, research and take suggestions well. Good luck with these upcomming cycles bro. Keep logs so people can learn from you on how to learn and use these boards like you have.

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gustavo77
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05/08/2019 9:08 pm  

[quote=vagrant;103896]So I've spent a few months reading all I could about TRT, talking with my doc, studying about AAS...

I've learned a good bit, but it seems to create more questions the more I learn.

I'm on my TRT - just starting to work - I feel almost normal again. It's too early to have full effect, but still I think the way I feel now compared to before, when I'm getting full effect and my levels are all the way to normal I'm going to feel like superman.

So test is good.

Once all is regulated and right, I'm going to do maybe 2 cycles/year.

Here's what I've got on my mind.

For starters:

Week 1-10 test e 500mg/week
Week 1-10 deca 250mg/week
Week 11 - back on TRT
Week 13 40mg nolva/day
Week 14 30mg nolva/day
Week 15 20mg nolva/day
week 16 20mg nolva/day
Weeks 13-16 are just to ease the transition off back down to TRT. I know PCT is probably not necessary for someone on TRT, but probably can't hurt - besides I've already got it.

Hey bro cycle looks good but i would take out the nolva and just run aromasin or letro throughout. Aroma at 20-25mg/day on cycle will keep your estrogen levels in the normal range and keep you from bloating- not to mention all the other nasty sides estrogen can cause. Then during trt you can take 10-12.5 mg/day and see how that goes. Also you need hcg if you are gonna run this cycle then trt, because trt doses will keep you shut down. Just run 500iu of hcg 2x per week starting week 2 or 3 and continue through your cycle up to trt then run 250iu-500iu (depending on how you feel 2xper week) during trt. No need for the nolva bro, it is not needed and will not give you any benfit and may even decrease your IGF-1 levels- not a good thing. As far as the deca, in my opinion upping it to 400mg would be perfect for what you are trying to accomplish here. Peace.

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vagrant
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05/08/2019 9:38 pm  

Hey thanks, I do have far too much to learn before I can actually give suggestions or share information. For now I'll just continue posting in my weekly update thread. When I know enough to actually use anything, I'll start a log and keep track there too. I'm a bit overcautious when it comes to using chemicals but I only have one liver, two kidneys, one heart, one pancreas, part of a brain... I want to keep them.

After the diagnosis of metabolic syndrome which would have been DMII if I had actually shown up for the GTT and I used carb control and carb timing to drop the fat it took me forever with great trepidation to start spiking postworkout - and that was just with dextrose/maltodextrin koolaid. That caution and care seems to have paid off because all my DMII symptoms I had been living with are now gone. You know the story - constant thirst, wounds that hadn't healed for 2 years, weight gain on a sub 1000 calorie/day super low fat diet. The pay off is I now seldom have new MS symptoms, I'm stronger, now that I'm on TRT getting my other hormones in order other stuff is improving. When I do cycle - it will again be with great caution and care.

I do thank you guys for the education. Like all the other things I've learned over the last 3 years it will be put to good use when the time is right. Hopefully that time will be before I get too old.


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vagrant
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06/08/2019 6:37 am  

About the being shut down on natural test levels. I do expect that. And if the last week of having what little I was making turned off and replaced is any sign of what the rest of my life is going to be like...I'll take it with a big enzyte bob kind of smile and so will my wife. I'm less grouchy, not nearly as irritated by stupid people as I was even a month ago, feel almost normal again, have some energy...

One question I remember having to resolve this as a teen, but I don't remember exactly how to manage it. How do I keep from peeing on the back of the commode first thing in the morning? It's getting hard to hit the bowl.

Sorry, not really bragging or being vulgar here but if you'd have been me for the last 1.5 - 2 years you'd totally understand.


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gustavo77
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06/08/2019 7:06 am  

Sounds like you are feeling pretty good and feel positive...that's awesome to hear bro. Just keep focused and all will be well. Peace.

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