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bigwasserman
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I have been lifting for about 14 years total, 5 hard core wth a strict body building diet. No real AAS experience but I do have plenty of prohormone experience. With that being said here is what I am considering for a short oral cycle this summer to maintain if not add som elean mass while cutting fat. Iam currently at 190lbs and about 12% bf. Would like to get to 195lbs at 8%

Tbol-50mg ed 6weeks
proviron 50mg ed 6 weeks.
liv-52
clen 40mcg week 1-2 80mcg week 3-6

PCT:
clomid 100 mg ed for 4 weeks
aromasin 25mg ed 25 days

Being that I am using the proviron I was not sure if the aromasin would be necessary, and if so at what doesage? If not, would nolvedex be OK? Thanks for the help.

By the way, I know you can not guarantee me what kinds of gains I can get but my diet is pretty good with 1.5-2 grams of protein per lb of body weight per day, at least a gallon of water, 300 grams of carbs, 3000 calories. Naturally have a lean build with a 30-32 inch waist at 5'11 190. Thanks!


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I can't speak for the Clen, but you should get decent results with that tbol doseage. I've read up on a few oral only cycles and the concensus seems to be that HCG would be the best ancillary during cycle to keep your own test production up. Follow up with your PCT.


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Clen gave me headaches and made my heart race to much. As far as orals go I have taken dbol and anadrol and neither one of them put as much size and strength on me as superdrol, which is perfectly legal and cheaper. Although I guess for cutting thats not the best choice.


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I have never taken clen, but have heard it is great to add to a cutting cycle. But, I have taken plenty of the over the counter thermogenics and thyroid stimulants and have never really had any issues with shakes or insomnia or anything like that, and this includes ephedria. So,how is clen as far as cutting bodyfat compared to T3/T4 or any other thyroid type products?

As far as Superdrol goes, I have taken that on a few occasions and it is really not what I am looking for in this case. Superdrol works best on a high calorie high carb diet, plus the sides I got from it I was not a big fan of. BAD lower back pumps, headaches and even had an issue an issue of some gyno well after PCT was done (2 or so months after!). As far as proce goes, any good SD product is still going to run you about $100, best case $60 or so and that will last your 4 weeks, and I can find 500 tbol tabs for $190.00

But, I was thinking of doing the proposed cycle and doing the tbol at 50mg or maybe towards the end even bumping it up to 60-70 mg ed. And would the proviron help keep test levels up? Anyone else have any knowledge of a cycle like this and how it would all mix together and play out? How possible is it, with my diiet and lifting ( every exercise is 4 sets of 8-10 reps, 4-5 exercises per body part) and a cycle like this to achieve my goals at my current stats?


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Im just curious where your buying 100$ SD from? You can buy plenty of cones on almost any supplement website for around 30 dollars.


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The real stuff is about that price, and yes there are some clones out there on site,but not for that cheap. Still about $50-$60. But, that is really neither here nor there. SD is not something I am interested in any more, great gains but not worth the sides that comes with it in my opinion.


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deadliftstoheaven
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Well anyway. I got some clen that I don't want, to bad you don't live next door you could have it.


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Weeks 1-6: 50mg Tbol (ed)
Weeks 1-10: 2-3 tabs of Liv-52 before bed (ed)

PCT: 100mg Clomid for 2 weeks or 25mg of Aromisin for 25 days or more
*Use the Clenbuterol for 4-6 weeks starting the day after finishing the Tbol

You can add the Proviron if you want, but Tbol doesn't convert into estrogen so the Proviron will mostly be used for possibly adding more gains. There's no need to add more to a simple oral cycle so I would just leave the Proviron out. I make huge gains with Tbol only cycles.

I would use the Clen along with PCT and for a couple weeks after that. Clen is great for burning fat but it's also anabolic, and the anabolic effects last longer than the 2 week fat burning properties of it. So I've never gone with the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off way of using Clen. As far as using Clomid or Aromasin for PCT, I would use the Aromasin for a month or two after finishing the Tbol because the Aromasin can help you continue to make lean gains just by itself, not to mention that you'd be combining it with Clen. However, 2-3 weeks of Clomid is effective and cheap; it just isn't as strong as Aromasin.


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Posted by: bigwasserman
I have never taken clen, but have heard it is great to add to a cutting cycle.But, I have taken plenty of the over the counter thermogenics and thyroid stimulants and have never really had any issues with shakes or insomnia or anything like that, and this includes ephedria.So,how is clen as far as cutting bodyfat compared to T3/T4 or any other thyroid type products?

Start with the lowest dose of Clen for the first few days, like 20-40mcg depending on what ever tabs or liquid you get. It isn't a really freaky drug or anything, but it is by far and away much stronger than anything you can buy over the counter. Unless you're one of the very few people that don't have any side effects from it; I can guarantee that you will get the shakes from it and you will feel like total shit if you take too much, no matter how many over the counter diet drugs you've taken and tolerated. That's part of the reason that I use a lower dose of Clen for a longer period of time, because it makes me shake, have cold sweats, makes me hypoglycemic, and it gives me insomnia. I too can tolerate all of the over the counter stuff without any problems but there's a reason that Clen isn't sold over the counter, or even sold legally in some countries.


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Another good oral only cycle would be var which you can run longer. It's a bit more pricey but the gains are keepable and it's not as much stress on the body.

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