Anavar and aerobic endurance vs. anaerobic performance  

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monkeyballs
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01/07/2018 10:58 pm  

I recently finished a six week cycle of BTG var. My training and diet during my cycle were ideal and my results were astounding IMO.

I monitor certain athletic markers very closely, and every single area of my athletic performance improved dramatically as a result of my cycle....

Except one area...my extensive endurance.

First off, I'm not an endurance athlete. I train my endurance regurally, but I'm not a competitive endurance athlete. I'm strictly anerobic. ATP/CPK- that's it.

As a result of my cycle, every single marker of anaerobic performance was improved dramatically. Most of my training was more productive and my recovery was quicker.

However, the small amount of extensive endurance training that I do (typically one 5 hour ride per week) was pure hell. My knees, back and ass ached almost instantly. I was unable to maintain my typical speeds, hills were murder, and I was as thirsty as a fucking camel throughout the entire ride. What was once the easiest and most relaxing area of my training became the most painful and taxing.

The only element of my training that had changed was the addition of AS, and almost immediately my extensive endurance began to suffer.

So I'm going to throw out some theories/conclusions here...

1. My exttensive endurance began to suffer due primarily to the cortisol suppression caused by the Anavar.

2. My slight weight gain and dramatic increase in strength served to compound the existing stress placed on my joints during a bout of extensive training, thereby adding to the achy feeling caused by the suppressed cortisol levels.

3. My slight increase in hematocrit% was insignificant compared to these other factors

4. We have all grossly overestimated the amount of steroids used by aerobic athletes. If they are used at all, it's certainly much less than we suspect.

5. If extensive endurance is your given task, there are better substances to look at than AS.

6. If your an anaerobic athlete...oxandrolone is a wonderful compound to choose. No shit.


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Wicked Design
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01/07/2018 11:30 pm  

I posted a study on anabolic steroids inhibiting the growth of the capillary bed of the heart. Perhaps thats what explains the effect on endurance.


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Miggy
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02/07/2018 12:25 am  

Re: Anavar and aerobic endurance vs. anaerobic performance

Posted by: monkeyballs
However, the small amount of extensive endurance training that I do (typically one 5 hour ride per week) was pure hell. My knees, back and ass ached almost instantly. I was unable to maintain my typical speeds, hills were murder, and I was as thirsty as a fucking camel throughout the entire ride. What was once the easiest and most relaxing area of my training became the most painful and taxing.

This is somewhat disturbing as I just started (yesterday) 30mg ed generic var in anticipation of a race that typically runs 1 hr or less...It's basically an all out 20 mile time trial..The race is in 2 weeks..

MB, can I ask what your dosage was?..If the var is that detrimental to my endurance, then I find this a COMPLETE waste as I am shit w/o my endurance training..You mentioned you felt pain "almost instantly"..So this means you suffered through the whole 5 hrs or was the onset later, say the 4th or 5th hr?..

What this tells me is that I could have problems just training for this particular race..(ie;TT training of less than 1 hr.) much less even considering longer rides...Decisions, decisions..


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Miggy
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02/07/2018 1:25 am  
Posted by: Wicked Design
I posted a study on anabolic steroids inhibiting the growth of the capillary bed of the heart. Perhaps thats what explains the effect on endurance.

Can you post a link to that study?


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Wicked Design
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02/07/2018 2:19 am  
Posted by: Miggy
Can you post a link to that study?

Sure


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twitedneck
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02/07/2018 3:06 am  

I've read a lot of endurance athletes in the tour de france used low does test and deca but with a shit load of growth hormone and EPO. I just ordered a book by Willy Voet called 'Breaking the Chain' about the 1999 festina affair.. i'll let you know what i find out. l8ta bro.


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twitedneck
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02/07/2018 3:53 am  

BTW, after doing about 3 hrs. of research on this site i now know that i'm completely out of my legue here w/ Miggy and Monkeyballs you guys are very experienced.. i'll still let you guys know about the book.

Thanks for the great history of posts about endurance. l8ta bros..


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Miggy
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02/07/2018 4:45 am  
Posted by: twitedneck
BTW, after doing about 3 hrs. of research on this site i now know that i'm completely out of my legue here w/ Miggy and Monkeyballs you guys are very experienced.. i'll still let you guys know about the book.

Thanks for the great history of posts about endurance. l8ta bros..

Hey twitedneck..
Nobody's out of their league here..Were all here for the same reason and thats to learn as much as we can and apply it to what suits our needs best..and hopefully others..No doubt there are some very special people posting here, including Monkeyballs, who is a world class athlete..The list of mods at the top of the page are VERY informed and will always answer to the best of their abilities..Don't be afraid to ask..

BTW, I've read Willy Voet's book..Your in for a good read!!
Post your thoughts when your finished, I'd love to hear them..


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Qrios
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02/07/2018 5:21 am  

Did you change much of your training when you were on the ox?
Maybe higher volume?
If your only aerobic endurance training was once a week, and all the other training focused on anaerobic training maybe your muscles adapted towards short efforts.
More because of training than of the oxandrolone.
Just speculating


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CanonOfMan
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02/07/2018 5:54 am  

How dissapointing, to me that is. Everything i've read has suggested your results would be otherwise in regards to your aerobic conditioning. SUPPOSEDLY, var should increases your collagen synthesis extensively. In fact, i've read it's used for that clinically. So the fact your joints were aching is odd. It seems like what I would have expected to hear had you said you just finished up a winstrol cycle. Hmm, maybe I ought to look at primo instead of var, as my events are all in excess of an hour. How much weight did you put on? Is it possible the increased anaerobic load caused your joints to ache a bit on the long rides? Any other info on this cycle would be greatly appreciated, as my piggy bank is getting pretty full and i'll be ordering again soon.


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