i have read soem conflicting information re: using Dbol to bridge.
? is should the dbol start after clomid therapy or right after cycle stops?
btw - i may or may not do this. i know there may be more effective items to use while bridging but i do not feel ready to use those items. if i do this it will be with dbol in the AM at ~10mg/day
There are conflicting reports but most seem to use after clomid therapy.
I actually used dbol as a bridge at 10mg am without the use of clomid and didn't really lose anything in terms of weight and strength. To me it's like never really coming off and it was obviously enough to keep my test levels supressed which is another topic of debate.
I can't really say. I know I lose probably half my gains with clomid but with just the dbol alone I only lost a couple of pds. Personally I think 10mg is enough to shut down HTPA.
There was a great thread on triedia awhile back about this that would interest you greatly but it seems to be lost forever.
If you could get Nandi in on this I'm sure he could give you the answer you're looking for as he contributed alot to that thread.
I don't know but i think the D-bol is a choice because of it being fast acting, so the idea is it is taken 10mg am and is out of you system by your evening sleep cycle. It sure as hell is a better alternative to the insomnia it tends to cause. A guy i respect alot Tadger swears by it and says it does not disrupt your htpa. This is all anecdotal so take it for what it is worth!!!
i agree we are talking about 2 separate things here.
i would use prop to "ride out" the rest of my cycle while the long esters cleared.
my question refers to using 10mg of dbol in the AM to bridge between cycles and whether this should be done during clomid or after clomid therapy.
I am a little hard-headed. You raise a good question? I will have to inquire about it? It is my impression that it is being used as a bridge to avoid shutting down the hpta but is the glass half-empty of half-full, so i will have to inquire about facturing in the Clomid.
Here is the guys comment on it in response to where to place D-bol in a cycle:
"S2k, I'd scrap the nandrolone. Replace it with eq. Drop it after week nine, then start post cycle therapy week 13 like Cardi said. As for that dbol... use it at the end. Start it week 7 and keep it at 30-40mg/day straight through. In week 13 drop it to 10mg/day, and take it immediately upon waking. Run this all the way through your recovery period. That should do ya. I could explain all that... but I've done it a million times before. Go look at some old posts." (Tadger)
So it appears he is not advocating it as a bridge, but i know i have heard talk of it LOL.
I've bridged with d-bol before, ncsports. The way I do it is to use 20mg/day in a single dose. Time of day is not important. I took mine post workout.
For me personally, the bridge starts before clomid/nolva therapy, and continues through until you want to stop. Either through till the next cycle, or I have also stopped some time before my next cycle (making it more of a "taper" than a "bridge" I suppose).
I also use nolva for as long as I'm taking the d-bol, as I figure the last thing you want when you're trying to achieve partial recovery is estrogenic effect.
As for exactly how the bridge effects my recovery, I don't know. What I will say is that my balls return to normal size during post cycle treatment, and there is no crash when I discontinue the d-bol. This to me implies that there is at least partial recovery of my natural test levels. Whether or not I'm fooling myself remains to be seen (I'll get my levels tested on a bridge one of these days).
That's how I personally do it mate.