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liftsiron
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Posted by: natron
I totally disagree with you.

The statement about "every supplement made comes from BCAA's", shows your ignorance. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to sound rude or impolite.

Other than that, I don't even know where to start with your post?

Vanadyl sulfate is not popular in the bodybuilding world because it's effects are minimal at best. When you describe it as "forcing amino acids into the muscle", I think your confusing vanadyl with insulin.

Anyhow, best of luck to you with bodybuilding, and your supplement adventures.

Rick

In some studies that were done either the late 70's or early 80's vanadyl was shown to have an insulin like effect in rats. Euorpean studies with humens had mixed results. Personnaly I take rALA which imo is far more effective than vandyl, and has the added benefit of liver protection.

liftsiron is a fictional character and should be taken as such.


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OMEGA
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EnerG
(glutamine peptides)

R-ala
( I really like Glucorell)

a good creatine that has no sugar in it
something like v12

and

good ole Casein


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AMG
 AMG
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Natron science changes everyday. So does opinions. I stand on t my claim that VS does work. Bodybuilders have taken it for years and will continue.

AMG


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natron
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I would not expect you to stop because li'l old natron said so.
Do whatever you feel works best for you. Best of luck.

Rick

"I project as the God Apollo, Yet I'm uglier than a bucket of smashed assholes"

"You say potato, I say FUCK YOU!" Dante

VOMITTING PSYCHO BABBLE CONTINOUSLY


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twistedneck
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ALCAR - sperm enhancement
ALA/BETA - ALPHA Carotene - Anti Ox
Bilberry - Capillaries and circulation
Ginko - stimulant
Caffiene - stimulant
ALA - Anti Ox - Mito energy
CoQ10-Testicular anti ox, cardiac muscle strength
IDEBENONE- Similar to CoQ10, full anti ox.
Grape Seed Extract - Anti OX
Olive Leaf Extract - IMMUNE
Fish Oil - All things, immune, inflam, improving supplement bio-availability
Carnosine / Beta-Alanine - Anti Aging, recovery
Taurine - recovery, ACE inhib
Vit C and B, RBC's
Vid D - Hormones
Benfotiamine - capillaries / Anti aging
Folic Acid - homocystene
Tyrosine - base for prostaglandins
Phosphatydlcholine-cholesterol, sperm, anti aging


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rrgg
 rrgg
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Sperm enhancement? Does that mean better swimmers or what?


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Big Cat
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Its a sad day when one person touts the benefits of vanadyl, and another person counters with "it sucks, I'd rather take ALA".

The fact is all the points have been argued on many boards, ad nauseum, and those that do not grasp it yet, will never grasp it. So frankly, its a very pointless and increasingly annoying subject to cover. AMG makes a good point that the industry is more and more about the money. Then again, it always was, or it wouldn't be an industry. And in doing so he also explained to himself why bodybuilders still use VS and will continue to. Because it will continue to be sold to bodybuilders who don't know any better.

Natron makes an even better point. No point in not using it. What supplement is really stronger than that which tricks your mind ? If you like placebo's, take them. No supplement quite as strong as a good placebo. Studies have proven that imagining you are doing barbell curls several times a week for a month can increase muscle size 30%. Even the best supplement no one believes in, can't beat the worst supplement everyone believes in.

Good things come to those who weight.

The Big Cat is a researcher and theoreticist. His advice must never be taken in the stead of proper advice from a medical professional, it is entirely intended for research purposes.


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omnibus
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BC,do you not think VS promotes a pumped and full look?
I know it did for me and many of my friends.I don't know if it promotes anabolism,probably not,but some feel the cosmetic effect is worth it since it's dirt cheap.

For whatever it's worth it can make you feel a bit hypo.


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Big Cat
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I haven't noticed the effect, no.

I also can't say that if it did, I would recommend it. I'm in the business of creating muscle, or if you will a "Permanent" pumped and full look. Anything that does so artificially and temporarily is in fact an obstacle for me in assessing true progress.

Good things come to those who weight.

The Big Cat is a researcher and theoreticist. His advice must never be taken in the stead of proper advice from a medical professional, it is entirely intended for research purposes.


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omnibus
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Posted by: Big Cat
I haven't noticed the effect, no.

I also can't say that if it did, I would recommend it. I'm in the business of creating muscle, or if you will a "Permanent" pumped and full look. Anything that does so artificially and temporarily is in fact an obstacle for me in assessing true progress.

Yes,sure,but steroids don't exactly cause a "permanent pumped look" either.Steroids give you a "look" that is very much artificial.Once you go off you may retain much of the actual muscle but you lose the vascularity and fullness.


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liftsiron
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Posted by: omnibus
BC,do you not think VS promotes a pumped and full look?
I know it did for me and many of my friends.I don't know if it promotes anabolism,probably not,but some feel the cosmetic effect is worth it since it's dirt cheap.

For whatever it's worth it can make you feel a bit hypo.

I can remember using VS for that same effect, I started using it a few weeks prior a bodybuilding comp. Now I stay on ALA year around and cycle EQ for the added vascularity that it provides.

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Fluffy
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Posted by: omnibus
Yes,sure,but steroids don't exactly cause a "permanent pumped look" either.Steroids give you a "look" that is very much artificial.Once you go off you may retain much of the actual muscle but you lose the vascularity and fullness.

I can't say I agree, because if you know what you're doing then you'll get the permanent look, if you don't you'll face down on the end of roids, going back to where you started the "trip".


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RedStep
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The thread says, "Favorite supplements/Drugs...
Would like to see BC's list...


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Big Cat
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Posted by: omnibus
Yes,sure,but steroids don't exactly cause a "permanent pumped look" either.Steroids give you a "look" that is very much artificial.Once you go off you may retain much of the actual muscle but you lose the vascularity and fullness.

To me, the trainer, that's a side-effect and not a benefit.

Good things come to those who weight.

The Big Cat is a researcher and theoreticist. His advice must never be taken in the stead of proper advice from a medical professional, it is entirely intended for research purposes.


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Big Cat
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Posted by: RedStep
The thread says, "Favorite supplements/Drugs...
Would like to see BC's list...

Hard list.

Of course :

Ephedrine/caffeine
forskolin
Casein/whey
creatine
Zinc chloride/magnesium bicarbonate
B-Vitamins

Apart from that : evocarpine, [8]-gingerol, berberine, magnolol, flavanone. And probably a host of products most have never even heard about : L-arabinose, kurarinone, gamma-tocotrienol etc.

Drugs :
Testosterone, trenbolone and to a much, much lesser extent, oxymetholone (great drug, but avoid orals if at all possible).

Good things come to those who weight.

The Big Cat is a researcher and theoreticist. His advice must never be taken in the stead of proper advice from a medical professional, it is entirely intended for research purposes.


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