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captainbicept
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30/09/2018 4:24 am  

Could one use 17 alpha-methyldihydroTestosterone(MDHT) as a mild anti-e and mild androgenic, in place of proviron?


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30/09/2018 4:58 am  

Mestanolone has been used as a strength and hardening drug in the past. The possibility exists. But there is no evidence to support that notion, so its not a question anyone can really answer.

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30/09/2018 5:45 am  

so theres not much backing the "brotelligence" that any dht derivative can serve as a mild anti-e?
Does anyone have any anecdotal evidence supporting or not supporting this idea?


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30/09/2018 6:28 am  

thats like saying any test derivative acts like test and any nandrolone derivative acts like nandrolone. In this case there is zero evidence and in most cases little to no direct evidence.


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30/09/2018 7:21 am  

Big Cat, which drug do you think would be likely to produce the best strength gains, mestanolone or mesterolone?
Thanx.


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30/09/2018 8:00 am  

Mestanolone will produce greater strength gains, it is more androgenic. Furthermore, it has pronounced CNS effects that will improve your workouts.


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30/09/2018 8:36 am  

Will it also make your hair fall out if you're prone to MPB?
Also, how toxic is it on the liver?


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30/09/2018 9:30 am  

Toxicity is relevatively mild. By which i mean it can be safely used for a period of 6 weeks with no real fear of problems in regards to liver. Longer use or high doses of course require regular monitoring of liver values. And if you have previous hepatic problems obviously you should stay away from 17AA problems.

I don't entirely agree with captainbicept's explanation, but I do agree with his conclusion, mestanolone is definitely the better strength drug.

If you are prone to MPB, most any AAS has a high potential to lead to progression of that condition, simply because their androgenic effect in the doses used for muscle building easily equal or excede the androgenic effect of endogenous levels of testosterone.

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30/09/2018 10:14 am  

can you theorize whether it would show similar libido effects compared to proviron?

that is, in cases that proviron was able to improve libido, would mdht also be expected to do the same?


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30/09/2018 11:10 am  
Posted by: captainbicept
so theres not much backing the "brotelligence" that any dht derivative can serve as a mild anti-e?
Does anyone have any anecdotal evidence supporting or not supporting this idea?

By nature, all AAS are anti-e.


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30/09/2018 11:59 am  

perhaps what he meant was in the prescence of exo test.

jb


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30/09/2018 12:40 pm  
Posted by: Black Baccara
By nature, all AAS are anti-e.

All commonly used AAS. Technically if you use an AAS that aromatized stronger than test, it would be pro-estrogenic ... but I assume they meant as having a direct anti-estrogenic action

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Black Baccara
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30/09/2018 1:28 pm  

AAS = derivatives of testosterone that promote anabolism and androgenicity. If a T derivative aromatises too strongly to estrogens, its action will be mostly estrogenic and it will not be an AAS


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30/09/2018 2:11 pm  
Posted by: Black Baccara
AAS = derivatives of testosterone that promote anabolism and androgenicity. If a T derivative aromatises too strongly to estrogens, its action will be mostly estrogenic and it will not be an AAS

Not so, by definition, if its androgenic and anabolic, to no matter what extent, it is technically an AAS. So it wouldn't matter whether it produced less or more estrogenic effect. In fact, just to offer an example, methyltestosterone is more estrogenic in action than testosterone, and classifies as an AAS. I'm sure more drastic examples than that exist as well.

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Black Baccara
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30/09/2018 3:06 pm  

Yes but MT is far more androgenic than estrogenic. If the action of one compound is MORE estrogenic than androgenic/anabolic it should not be classified as an AAS. Even if MT is more estrogenic than T, given to a woman its action will be androgenic/anabolic/anti-e.


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