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29/09/2018 11:50 am  

Hypothetically, if you got someone looking to maximize his CNS ouput/response in a no-stim way (caffeine/EPH) wouldnt using test susp be the way to go?

showed T has CNS recovery properties

...anyone know of any links showing how test susp possibly increases "neural drive"?

possible protocol 20mg avar & 25-50mg of Tsusp(only use on high cns days)

day 1 high cns
sprinting/max strength work 25-50mg shot of Tsusp & 20mg avar

day 2 med cns day

day 3 off

day 4 high cns "25-50mg Tsusp & 20 mg avar"

day 5 med cns

day 6 low cns

day 7 off

keep test levels in check & testicles functioning
HCG 500 i.u.s e3d
4ad every 3.5 hrs/100mg

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29/09/2018 12:37 pm  

well obviously man thats what athletes do.

btw, i have used 300mg of prop and experienced a 0.7 decrease in my 100m time (and minimal decrease in longer distances due to not training for them)

but training for CNS output is much more important that steroids. I wouldnt do medioum CNS days, they have no transferance to maximal (limit) strength and only serve to hinder your recovery.

i would go with something like 3/week high CNS 3/week low CNS (think, keeping lean and active recovery).

Also, its VERY important to maximase your CNS output in every high intencity session so go for quality rather than quantity and do lots of contrast showers/massages etc.

What do you want to develop specificaly? We might be able to help you better if you had something definite in mind

also, i would go for halo before work outs (say 3/week) for the agression and prop or var to aid recovery. If you are very experience, low doses of insulin after high intencity days would also benifit you greatly. Something like 2 I.U. 3/week depending on your training.

though, having quality training is far more important...

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29/09/2018 1:19 pm  

For sport I think repetition of the activity over and over would better enhance CNS response than any type of steroid. Steroids however make great recovery aids.

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29/09/2018 2:02 pm  
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well obviously man thats what athletes do.

btw, i have used 300mg of prop and experienced a 0.7 decrease in my 100m time (and minimal decrease in longer distances due to not training for them)

but training for CNS output is much more important that steroids. I wouldnt do medioum CNS days, they have no transferance to maximal (limit) strength and only serve to hinder your recovery.

i would go with something like 3/week high CNS 3/week low CNS (think, keeping lean and active recovery).

Also, its VERY important to maximase your CNS output in every high intencity session so go for quality rather than quantity and do lots of contrast showers/massages etc.

What do you want to develop specificaly? We might be able to help you better if you had something definite in mind

also, i would go for halo before work outs (say 3/week) for the agression and prop or var to aid recovery. If you are very experience, low doses of insulin after high intencity days would also benifit you greatly. Something like 2 I.U. 3/week depending on your training.

though, having quality training is far more important...

Being mid 30's & "adrenal fatigue" one cant handle 3 a week speed work/max strength work. The med cns consists of tempo runs, 3 sets weighted vest push ups (ending at 4-5 reps b4 failure/ give you an idea of what i mean by med cns effort) then same effort with seated low pulley rows alternating arms 4 sets, & 6 sets of core rotaion moves.

doing contrast baths not showers. 2-3 min jacuzzi/ 30-45 sec cold dip

adding halo last 6- 8weeks of season

var already in there but only on high cns days

for recovery & system running smoothly HCG e3d 500 i.u.'s & 4ad 100mg every 3.5hrs every day

insulin after high cns days is interesting could you explain the physiology on why? isnt the insulin boost from a post workout shake enuff? & why isnt enuff?

Goals 60m-100m, increase max strength


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29/09/2018 2:42 pm  

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Being mid 30's & "adrenal fatigue" one cant handle 3 a week speed work/max strength work. The med cns consists of tempo runs, 3 sets weighted vest push ups (ending at 4-5 reps b4 failure/ give you an idea of what i mean by med cns effort) then same effort with seated low pulley rows alternating arms 4 sets, & 6 sets of core rotaion moves.

oh, fair enough. Sounds good, though you could possibly substitute the push ups with some hurdle mobility drills and instead do some depletion push ups after one high intencity day (preferably a special endurance one) to completely drain your systems of carbs and then load up to supercompensate. Your CNS recovery wont probably be as top notch as it was when you where younger thats why im saying to do hurdle drills, they are even lower intencity, prety tough and help with sprint mechanics ALOT.

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adding halo last 6- 8weeks of season


sweet, just pay heed to injuries, being that halo is kind of infamatory and stuff.

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var already in there but only on high cns days


ive tried var...i am not shure how good that would work...what kind of dose? I mean, var has prety much no affect to agrettion so keeping blood levels steady i thing would be more important than any str increases it would give. I would prefer halo for that.

if you have tendon issues some growth hormone at low doses after high intencity days would also help (like 3iu or smt)

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insulin after high cns days is interesting could you explain the physiology on why? isnt the insulin boost from a post workout shake enuff? & why isnt enuff?


i wouldnt personaly do a carb load right after every work out. I mean tempos aint that demanding and keeping lean with stable insulin levels would be more important.

well insulin works, you know...by trasporting amino acids etc to the cells so thats why you would take it? No seriously, high intencity days (especially those that involve glycogen stores draining training sessions like SE with depletion push ups, and weights) are prety demanding if the intencity is good and more than likely the training session would last like 3-4 hours due to the big intervals meaning that fast and efficient nutrient transport would be good.

other than that i can give you no other science...Empiricaly, thats what a couple of greek sprinters (in the 10.1x region) use and it was mentioned by Charlie Francis in an article of his.

i havnt personaly used it yet though. I have anectodaly heard that kenteris took 1 i.u of slin and 10mcg of IGF localy in glutes/hams after speed days.

take that with a grain of salt though...

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Goals 60m-100m, increase max strength


how is your str and speed now? Do you have any times available?

what your weakest point?

from what ive seen most people suffer from proper mechanics due to lack of sufficient flexibility and they tend to try and do everything at once ending up hurt and mediocre at everything.

if you want max str do max str, and keep speed at a minimum to allow quality at the lifts, if you want accell do that and keep SE and lifts to maintenance.

depending on your current level, GPP or SPP would help you more.

give me some more info if you may

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29/09/2018 3:19 pm  

What about using really low weights and concentrating on "speed strength" like Westside Powerlifting teaches to increase CNS response? I swear by their method.

I think you can use their methodologies to increase your CNS response. While on that program, I never had more explosive response from my tendons and nerves...and it dramatically increased my athletic performance.

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29/09/2018 4:11 pm  

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What about using really low weights and concentrating on "speed strength" like Westside Powerlifting teaches to increase CNS response? I swear by their method.


there is no "explocive" weight lifting method that can even begin to aproach the demands of a sprint. The RFD of an explocive squat or bench or whatever can match that of a sprint.

hell, you can reach up to 14xbody weight in the hips sprinting...

its a general vs specific argument, and imo, you lift for general strength and sprint in order to get faster.

emulating movements with weights etc is a poor choice because the mechanics have no corelation and the intencity isnt great enough to cause a CNS stimulus... (which varies, someone that doesnt bench 1.5xbw canot even stimulate his CNS through lifts either way so working with med balls-accumulation weights-sprints-plyos-general fitness would go along way)

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29/09/2018 4:48 pm  

thanx for the info epote

I was wondering if the var needed to have stable blood levels to be effective. Im gonna search to see if i can find how long var takes effect when taken.

thanx


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29/09/2018 5:26 pm  
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hell, you can reach up to 14xbody weight in the hips sprinting...

epote,

Can you explain this a bit better...I find it intriguing. What do you mean by 14xbody weight in the hips sprinting? I'm not sure what you mean?

Also, what would be a sprint workout you would recommend?

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29/09/2018 5:58 pm  

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Can you explain this a bit better...I find it intriguing. What do you mean by 14xbody weight in the hips sprinting? I'm not sure what you mean?


the hip joing can excert up to 14 times your body weight of force on ground contact while sprinting. Meaning that at some point while the ball of your foot touches the ground at max velocity (specificaly excactly at ground contact and when driving the leg back) the forces at the hip joint are in that range.

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Also, what would be a sprint workout you would recommend?


thats a prety vague question...its like asking "how can i gain muscle?"

ya know sprint and lift, in that order.

if pure speed (sub 40m) is what you want, a typical SPP workout (meaning that early in the season you have built up your fitness and restorative capabilities up to that) would be something like this

monday:

speed + max str
(10x10m, 4x20m, 3x30m with full rest, meaning 1 minute/10m)
then 30-40 ground contacts of flat plyos (like hurdle jumps)
then lift (power clean, squat, bench would be the main lifts at 2-4 reps at 90%+ and pull down, military press, goodmorning the secondary lifts at less than 75% 12-15 reps)

tuesday:

tempos

wendsday:
speed endurance+max str
(80+100+120 with full rest)
some med ball throughs (say 3x10 of explocive throughs)
+max str

thursday:

tempo

friday:
speed+max str

saturday:

some non impact tempo (like LOTS of med ball throughs of low intencity, core work, depletion push ups, pool work)

something like that. But periodization and component empasis is very important in sports training

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29/09/2018 6:39 pm  
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the hip joing can excert up to 14 times your body weight of force on ground contact while sprinting. Meaning that at some point while the ball of your foot touches the ground at max velocity (specificaly excactly at ground contact and when driving the leg back) the forces at the hip joint are in that range.

Then why do sprinters bother lifting weights, which can't come near the forces generated during sprinting itself?


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29/09/2018 7:34 pm  

.......to get high levels of power you must have high levels of max strength "as a general rule"

there is an argument out there "why do OL &/ or plyos if sprinting produces & is the ultimate power producer"?

I do not do plyos (sprinting is the ultimate plyo) & the only OL i do is high/hang pulls (true triple ext) (in my case) If you are very powerful & profecient in technique many do get triple ext in cleans & snatches.


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29/09/2018 8:05 pm  

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Then why do sprinters bother lifting weights, which can't come near the forces generated during sprinting itself?


several reasons, general strength for once, distribution of CNS stimulus, conective tissue adaptation...

lifting will make you faster due to strength increases but up to a point which is mostly general fitness related. Lifting has no specific transferance to sprinting, you sprint for that

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I do not do plyos (sprinting is the ultimate plyo) & the only OL i do is high/hang pulls (true triple ext) (in my case) If you are very powerful & profecient in technique many do get triple ext in cleans & snatches.


whatever works for you, though some plyos could possibly help with top speed (especial vertical ones). Though plyometrics and intence med balls, are an invaluable tool when you try to build up volume tolerance during GPP. Latero on you can just maintain on then to focus on other things.

the thing about OL...well most people have great results from them, but again its a cost/benifit thing. Depending on how i feel i cut them out, other times i do OL's but dont squat etc. Training for speed is a very fluent procedure, and quality is of utmost importance. Ben johnson did no olympic lifts cause he didnt have good technique, though he is the faster man alive. But then again he was one of the strongest if not *the* strongest sprinter ever.

regarding the triple extention:

what you say is true, though again, during GPP early SPP you could go for this progretion: full OL->power OL->hang/block OL. When your training is filled with speed work you have only so much of a CNS to work on...

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29/09/2018 8:37 pm  

When your training is filled with speed work you have only so much of a CNS to work on... "epote"

guys, this guy knows his sprinting!

I have the same philosphy epote, speed is first & foremost


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29/09/2018 9:09 pm  

Great thread.


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