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pecman
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12/06/2020 12:38 pm  

Okay, here is the deal. I have been working my ass off to get lean. I started at about 24% BF and managed to trim down to about 6% and maintain a weight of 230. At 30 this is the best I have ever looked. Everywhere I go I have people stop and say something. Not bragging, just really excited about the results I was finally able to achieve.

Anyways, I followed the Super Cutter Program on this site and it worked like a champ. The only thing I did different was in the morning I did the Insanity Workout instead of sprints.

I ran a 12 week cycle of sus250 @ 500 grams a week and clen/t3 off and on.

My question is what now? I've leaned out before but maintaining is hard for me. Any advice what do with the diet, cardio, weight training, supps? I know clomid/nolva/HCG (I ruined my HCG so that's a no-go).

Last time I leaned out I kept dieting during PCT and lost about 15-20 pounds because I kept restricting calories even after the test wore off.

So please, I need advice. I know I need to increase the calories, but by how much. Should I do like a 4-6 bulking diet during PCT? And what supps are recommended?

Again, I really want to stay somewhat lean while maintaing size so any advice would be great...

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12/06/2020 1:01 pm  

you need to calculate your maintenance calories and increase to that. how much do you weigh and how many calories are you currently intaking. remember when you increase your calories you mayget a rebound effect and increase muscle mass and weight for a short time. i would not go on a bulker diet.

wht does your pct look like?

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pecman
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12/06/2020 1:23 pm  

Thanks for the response JB
My PCT is going to be Clomid/Nolva/SARMS. I'm going to go ahead and try the sarms. I have read plenty of Pros and Cons, and figured I'd try it for myself as PCT. I figure I'd start the SAMRS high and then taper down and then continute Clomid nolva for a few weeks after I finish it.

Here's another question? How do I figure my maintenance calories? There's calcs. fro figuring out cutting and bulking, but is there calcs for figuring out maintenance diets?

Also should I continute cardio? I'm afraid if I continute the high intensity cardio, I might lose too much during PCT. Again thanks for the response and any more advice is really appreciated...


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pillsbury
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12/06/2020 1:53 pm  

i believe there is a lot more to it than just maintenance calories. actually i think they are far less important than what your body is doing with the calories. everyone can get lean, some faster and easier than others but not everyone can maintain lower single digit bf; actually without drugs its near impossible unless you are just one of those people which if you are you wouldnt be getting fat to begin with...im getting sidetracked.
anyway, if you try the maintenance thing and its not working out then just restrict carbs and/or fats for 2 or 3 days then go back to eating reasonably. its really important to know how your body works and utilizes energy to be able to maintain


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12/06/2020 2:18 pm  

Good thread so far. When you up to maintenance, make sure that protein is high. If you gain too much bf do like pillsbury said. You can keep bf fairly low manipulating macronutrients.

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12/06/2020 2:45 pm  

If you want to remain lean, why do you feel that you must increase calories?
Also try to remain lifting as heavy as possible while avoiding injury.

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pecman
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12/06/2020 3:06 pm  

Liftsiron, to answer your question, I want to increase calories because I am coming off a cycle, so I do not want to keep calories low while I am doing PCT. Last time I leaned out, I continued the diet during and after PCT and I lost a lot of size.

Seems like the best thing to do is to increase the calories but not by too much. Seems like I will have to be manipulating my carb intake.


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12/06/2020 3:23 pm  

Your metabolism is higher on cycle that's when you should increase calories imo.

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12/06/2020 3:54 pm  

depends on whether you are cutting or bulking. common sense plays a role here, you need to maintain high protein and increase you calories so that you do not gain weight. use of skin calipers, waistline measurements, tanita scales or whatever to monitor your lean mass, scale to measure your weight and you have to learn within your own system what weight is maintanence weight. of course no one easy formula is going to work for everyone, simply increase you calories in a balanced fashion until you reach homeostasis, the point at which you are neither gianing nor losing weight. for me at 200lbs i know it is spot on at 1900 calories with the exercise level that is normal for me. for someone else it can be radically different. remember to keep that protein up and make it a balanced increase in healthy foods.

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12/06/2020 4:24 pm  

The device that I most rely on to measure my bodyfat level is the mirror.

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pecman
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12/06/2020 4:45 pm  

Man, thanks a lot everyone for your input. Your knowledge means a lot to me. I've been doing this bodybuilding thing for about a decade and I still have a lot to learn. I'll into consideration what everyone said and go from there.

I'll increase the calories genereously, and keep lifting heavy during PCT. I tweaked my knee out about two weeks ago, so cardio is very limited, but as soon as my knee gets better, i'm back on the cardio.

I'll also make sure and stay off the scale, cause I hate the damn thing after I do a cycle....


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12/06/2020 5:08 pm  

ah the mirror, mans best friend or worst enemy. i knowithas its problems particulalrly below 8%bf but i have my trusty tanita scale, weight wise dead on, bf% wise needs a little interpretation but it is spot on when used correctly for trends.

jb


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12/06/2020 5:35 pm  

Yep it's amazing what you can do with the mirror and macros. I don't know what my calorie intake is. Haven't measured calories ever.

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