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links1979
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06/02/2020 9:09 pm  

I'm about to order my supplies for both gh and epo as far as needles, etc. I know I want a 25 guage to draw blood, and I can pretty much inject E with anything, but I'm confused as to exactly what to buy in terms of the volume. I'm getting confused between the ccs, ml, and the iu's that I'll be injecting and how much that will be once mixed with the bac water. I'd really appreciate if someone could give me a shopping list or possibly direct me to another post where this is adressed as well as how to precisely mix both the E and the HGH powder with bacteriostatic water. Thanks guys

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Paul Bunyan
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06/02/2020 9:32 pm  

A cc and an ml are the same thing. For I.U.'s say you have 10i.u.'s of gh and you add 1ml of water to it. A 1ml slin pin would be marked as 100 units which = 1ml. Every 10 units on that pin would equal 1i.u. of gh. For info on E you gotta get that from someone else because I know nothing about it.


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links1979
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06/02/2020 9:57 pm  

Thanks Paul. Anyone on the E?

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epno
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06/02/2020 10:26 pm  

links1979,

I asked these same questions just a few months ago as I prepared for my 1st E cycle. E can be injected with slin pins, but some feel that the small needles may damage the protein. On that note a 1/2" 25g pin will work for drawing blood and also injecting E. If your E comes in the form of a rediject, you won't have to worry about getting pins. If you're new to drawing your own blood to test hct, get more pins than syringes so you'll have clean pins for each attempt to draw blood. I'm using 3cc luer lock syringes since they're easy to get: I have found 1cc luer lock syringes on a medical supply website, but I had to search to find them. If your E comes in a vial in liquid form or in a rediject, it usually contains the designated amount of iu's in 1cc (ml) of fluid. If it come in a powdered form, you control the concentration by how many cc's of bac h2o you use to hydrate. When you get to maintenance dosing you may need to split vials or redijects to get the dosage you need. I had 6k iu redijects and needed to split them into two 3k iu doses. My best luck in doing so has been to take a sterile 3cc syringe and remove the pin, draw the plunger back to 1cc and inject .5 cc from the rediject. I recap the rediject for later use, put the pin back on the 3 cc syringe, bleed out the air, and inject. On the subject of drawing blood I've read that 23g is recommended to avoid hemolysis. But I've done fine with 25g pins and I'm careful to draw the blood slowly to avoid causing hemolysis.

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MaxWatts
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06/02/2020 10:53 pm  

You can use a slin pin for hgh and epo with no issues. I personally don't even feel a difference using a 25g or 29g for injections and it's more convenient to just have 25's around for injection and draws.


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NYCMuscle
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06/02/2020 10:55 pm  

Yes 1 cc = 1 mL. The cc is no longer used since 1 cc could look like 100 if you have sloppy hand writing. (Not that we write much by hand any more.)

As to how to mix your GH, there 3 IU to 1 mg. You want to mix the GH with a sensible amount of sterile water (preferably bacteriostatic water). If the vial has 12 IU, you would want to mix it in 1.2 mL of sterile water which will give you 10 IU/1 mL. If you’re pinning 2 units twice a day, that would be 0.2 mL or 20 on a U-100 insulin syringe. (Insulin’s syringes actually come in two different units, and you want the U-100 which means 100 units/mL, which are the most common.)

 

Alternatively, you could mix the 12 units with 0.6 mL of sterile water, which gives you 20 IU/mL, or 2 IU/0.1 mL which is 10 on an insulin syringe. 

If you had 15 IU, you’d want 1.5 mL or 0.75 mL. This makes your life easier. 


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links1979
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06/02/2020 11:13 pm  

Epno and MaxWatts, thanks for the information. Really appreciate it.

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respectdistance
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06/02/2020 11:35 pm  

i have yet to find a 25g 1/2" needle. I'm sure I'm just not looking hard enough, but will I be able to inject E and draw blood with a 26g 1/2" just as properly as with 25g? or should i go with a 25g 1"?

I think I'll feel more comfortable injecting myself with a 1/2". I'm doing IV dose.


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MaxWatts
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06/02/2020 11:56 pm  

26 ga. 1/2" should suffice.


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cycle-ist
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07/02/2020 12:23 am  

Bro's,

Just remember to draw slowly. That is the key when drawing blood with a larger gauge (smaller diameter) needle.

MS, CSCS, CPT


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