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What phosphatidylcholines are in lipostabil?


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Lipostabil contains phosphatidylcholine (purified lecithin). But phosphatidylcholine (PC) can attach to two fatty acids. From what I can gather, it is typically attached to these fatty acids making, for example, 1,2-dilinoleoylphosphatidylcholine. Note that 1,2- dilinoleoylphosphatidylcholine _is_ a phosphatidylcholine.

I'm trying to figure out if lipostabil (et al.) somehow contains phosphatidylcholine without the fatty acids attached (which for all I know isn't possible) or not.

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all I've found so far is that they are medium length, poly-unsaturated chains.

If it didn't have chains it would be a PC, it would be glycerol with choline.

Good things come to those who weight.

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Phos c = complete BS. The active compound in lipo is deoxycholate = non specific cell lysis.

https://www.growxxl.com/steroids/lipostabil-injectable-phosphatidylcholine


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[B]Phos c = complete BS. The active compound in lipo is deoxycholate = non specific cell lysis.

PC may have some slight additional affect, in the presence of deoxycholate. Facilitating its dispersal and perhaps mediating its activity.

though wholely agree the "true active" is the detergent like deoxycholate (which does indeed cause non specific cell lysis-- its just as toxic to muscle and other cells as it is to fat)


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PC may have some slight additional affect, in the presence of deoxycholate. Facilitating its dispersal and perhaps mediating its activity.

though wholely agree the "true active" is the detergent like deoxycholate (which does indeed cause non specific cell lysis-- its just as toxic to muscle and other cells as it is to fat)

I agree but when I used a phosc formula with no deoxycholate I got no results as well as many others.


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I agree but when I used a phosc formula with no deoxycholate I got no results as well as many others.

which is to be expected... so there is agreement there as well


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all I've found so far is that they are medium length, poly-unsaturated chains.

If it didn't have chains it would be a PC, it would be glycerol with choline.

I wonder if the pharmaceutical lecithin contains a mixture of different PPC molecules, then.

I found a source of pure PPC, which also mentions that 70% of the PPC molecules are attached with linoleic and linolenic acid. Well, they claim it is 100%. But then the chemical analysis they show mentions moisture and ash.

The subject has been particularily difficult for me to research.


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Phos c = complete BS. The active compound in lipo is deoxycholate = non specific cell lysis.

https://www.growxxl.com/steroids/lipostabil-injectable-phosphatidylcholine

I did come across this study which seems to indicate what you mention.

I have the full study PDF, but it is too big to attach here.

I tend to get ahead of myself and loose focus sometimes, so I was trying to first concentrate on the PPC and then move onto the Sodium Deoxycholate ... not sure how difficult/cheap it is to get ahold of that chemical.


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So has anyone tried mixing perhaps 4.75% Sodium Deoxycholate into bac water and going with that? A quick search indicates that Sodium Deoxycholate is ~ $30 for 25g and readily available.

CAS 145224-92-6 is Sodium deoxycholate with water?

Or maybe I want CAS 302-95-4?


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Posted by: mranak
I wonder if the pharmaceutical lecithin contains a mixture of different PPC molecules, then.

I found a source of pure PPC, which also mentions that 70% of the PPC molecules are attached with linoleic and linolenic acid. Well, they claim it is 100%. But then the chemical analysis they show mentions moisture and ash.

The subject has been particularily difficult for me to research.

Yes of course, I've never really seen any type of affordable 1-form PPC.

The problem is without any evidence that some work better than others, its hard to work out a formula of which ones you need, and on top of that extremely expensive to make.

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Yes of course, I've never really seen any type of affordable 1-form PPC.

The problem is without any evidence that some work better than others, its hard to work out a formula of which ones you need, and on top of that extremely expensive to make.

exactly and taking lecithin as a supplement like the bodybuilders of old would have nothing but a placebo affect.

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Maybe the attached fatty acids are irrelavant in regard to targeted fat reduction.

Maybe I'll get some sodium deoxycholate, mix it at ~5% with bac water, and see what happens.

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400mtrackstar - did u ran in the past 400m track&field?

 


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