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warmachine
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30/10/2019 10:12 pm  

as above, i have had blood in my stool after 4 days of loading with 225mg chelated iron. i am really worried about it. should i stop the iron loading? i plan to do it for 2 weeks b4 starting the epo


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30/10/2019 10:32 pm  

Not to be crude but iron loading does cause constipation with some people. If you push too hard when constipated, you can cause a tear which causes bleeding and therefore blood ON the stool.


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30/10/2019 11:00 pm  

I would say 225mg is too large a dose for pre-loading. Try 100-150mg. Divide the daily dose into 4 or 5 separate doses. A pre-load may not be necessary. What is your serum ferritin level?


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30/10/2019 11:23 pm  

i will get my ferritin measured in a few days. so u think 225mg is too high for loading? ok what about the length of loading in my case 2 weeks? is that a good length of time?


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30/10/2019 11:43 pm  

Yes whels.. When my ferritin was 500 aprox , this nivels caused constipation...If you have the fe slow the best option is fe intravenous(Ferlixit most popularity).. Work really fast in your serum ferritin level. What is the nivel safe for to begin a cycle of epo?


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31/10/2019 12:07 am  

would like realgains input on this


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31/10/2019 12:37 am  

2 weeks is a suitable length for the pre-load. If the ferritin is 200ng/l or more, you can definitely start the cycle. Even 50-100ng/l can be a healthy level to start from, although it's best to have a cushion. You should constantly check the ferritin level during the cycle - first retest should be within a week of the first injection.

Start the iron dose at 200mg ED when loading, then adjust based on the ferritin results. Ideally you want to maintain it or allow a slow decline. Once it drops below 30, anemia becomes a real danger. Mine hit 25 but I was lucky.


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31/10/2019 1:06 am  

i was dropping black logs that were hard as a rock during the start of a load, and then after a few days they went away even though iron consumption remained at the same level 300mg chelated iron. is this normal?


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31/10/2019 1:34 am  

It is common to get black stools when using fe;chelated fe should not have this effect;stool will be a light brown and there should be no intestinal probs;never start an E cycle without serum ferretin and trans-ferrin saturation test results;are u using AAS? if so u may have haemoROIDS.M/track


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31/10/2019 2:05 am  

Not to be crude but iron loading does cause constipation with some people. If you push too hard when constipated, you can cause a tear which causes bleeding and therefore blood ON the stool.


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31/10/2019 2:28 am  
Posted by: KingMassimo
2 weeks is a suitable length for the pre-load. If the ferritin is 200ng/l or more, you can definitely start the cycle. Even 50-100ng/l can be a healthy level to start from, although it's best to have a cushion. You should constantly check the ferritin level during the cycle - first retest should be within a week of the first injection.

Start the iron dose at 200mg ED when loading, then adjust based on the ferritin results. Ideally you want to maintain it or allow a slow decline. Once it drops below 30, anemia becomes a real danger. Mine hit 25 but I was lucky.

I agree with this...

Also, you don't need to load iron really IF IF IF you take lots of iron while on the epo and start with a ferritin of at least 60.

Warmachine...report back with a ferritin level.

and Warmachine....it is common to have dark stool with iron use so don't worry about it. As Madtrack said it is less with amino acid bound irons(like ferrochel) but it still happens to some degree and more in some people than others.

Bright red covered stool means you have a bleed in the lower colon and probably rectum...from constipation(tearing of the mucosa of the bowel). That's no big deal either unless you see A LOT of blood.

Drink lots of water while loading as this helps reduce constipation,,,,lots of high fiber foods too.

It's really important to know your ferritin...if it is through the roof then you don't need so much iron....you actually want to reduce a "through the roof" ferritin as it isn't healthy. If I had a 500 ferritin I would not take much iron at all for a week or two and I would be watching the ferritin closely. I would want to drop that 500 to at least 200.

We have to understand that red cells will be produced no better with a ferritin of 150 or higher than with a ferritin of 50. Thing is you want to have a cushion as epo can drop that 50 really fast and if you go bellow 25 you'll be wasting your money and over time you will become anemic.
Athletes do best with ferritins of 40 or better when not using epo.
Epo users should try to keep their ferritins higher than this as I mentioned...re: cushion.


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31/10/2019 2:51 am  
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4 days after loading serum ferritin was up to 87 and trans sat was at 51. i loaded for a further 17 days but didn't get blood work done after that period. turds went back to normal after the first few days and never had any intestinal probs or AAS. sound fine?

Your ok maybe get a better brand of chelated fe solgar or ferrochel are good.I was being funny about the AAS haemoROIDS!!!!!!!! te he te he .M/track


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31/10/2019 3:14 am  
Posted by: madtrack
Your ok maybe get a better brand of chelated fe solgar or ferrochel are good.I was being funny about the AAS haemoROIDS!!!!!!!! te he te he .M/track

LOL. Sorry i'm a bit slow on the uptake! haha!


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31/10/2019 3:42 am  

Not to be crude but iron loading does cause constipation with some people. If you push too hard when constipated, you can cause a tear which causes bleeding and therefore blood ON the stool.


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warmachine
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31/10/2019 6:54 pm  

i will get my ferritin tested tomorrow and report back to u guys


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