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Seabiscuit Hogg
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11/06/2020 4:04 pm  

Ok, let me start by saying that I don't use traditional metheds for doing anything. My version of this is a little different than this: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/luis13.htm What I mean is I use longer rest periods and alternate GVT with my own version of pof training which throws in some 4rm, 3rm and an occasional 1rm. I have only used the 10 x 10 for bench and squats so far. This time I'm going to do both, alternate them from wk to wk. Get you ass on here pills and we can talk about this all we want without hijacking other threads.

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11/06/2020 4:20 pm  

This program definitely works for hypertrophy purposes. The problem is that it is not great for explosive or functional strength gains. You will obviously gain strength if you start from square one but, you could use this as one phase of your program after a plateau for 12 weeks, then get out of there are try to get your power back.


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11/06/2020 4:45 pm  

i hate 10x10 unless your doing something awesome like one handed snatches or cleans or some shit that you can bust out 10 in like 25 secs, rest maybe 10 sec and repeat...
for bench i think its disasterous; can lead to injury, imbalances ,etc
i think its sucks for hypertrophy; ladders are much more efficient. to make the german philosophy better instead of calculating what you can do for 20 then doing 10x10, find out what you can do for 20 and do 25, or 30. you obviously cant do this with your 1 rep max or anywhere close but then again some of the strongest people that have ever existed never used one rep maxes


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11/06/2020 5:11 pm  

I think it works best for legs and you're right, it could lead to imbalance especially in the rotator cuff if you do bench.


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11/06/2020 5:30 pm  

Does anybody know the meaning of alternating? You guys sound like you're trying to discourage something I already know works.

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11/06/2020 5:53 pm  

no. i thought about checking out the definition online but am too lazy.


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11/06/2020 6:09 pm  

I'm not trying to discourage it. I've done it. I noticed that it worked great for my legs but they felt very heavy and slow. I was talkling more about your article and overlooked that you were alternating it. I always think combination training works the best. Every great bodybuilder has a different way of doing things. Many of them have very set ways. I think they all work pretty well and combining some of their ideas is what the evolution of weight training is all about.


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11/06/2020 6:31 pm  

Right I'm going to be doing strength training the whole time or I wouldn't do bench. It does work better for legs.

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11/06/2020 6:47 pm  

In another thread where I was talking about glycogen and creatine increasing leverage. This was from the old school idea of loading creatine to draw water into the muscles. When creatine monohydrate is loaded, you have better mechanics for lifting because of the water and compound lifts go up. By training with higher weight strenth increases and the increases stay even after you drop the creatine.

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11/06/2020 7:18 pm  

i figured the water was what you were implying as far as lifts going up. i actually like loading up on sodium instead of carbs (if im cycling my carbs) for this reason. im not sure it makes you stronger though but the weight does feel better on some lifts


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11/06/2020 7:34 pm  

Well if the actual amount you're lifting goes up, aren't you stronger. I figure the reason it works better for legs in because you get a lot more glycogen storage there. I've been cycling carbs and this is a problem. Still using the cee on lower carb days. What lifts said about the monohydrate is right on. It does draw water into fat cells also but it goes away when dropped.

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11/06/2020 7:51 pm  

no your not stronger it just feels better. there is a huge difference. its mental, not physical.
the above statement does not mean you can starve yourself for days or not eat correctly and expect to maintain strength; rather excessive glycogen storage is not paramount for strength
why is cycling your carbs a problem
legs and back can handle a tremendous amount of volume for a lot of reasons one of them being how large they are


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11/06/2020 8:18 pm  

Your kinetic strength goes up and your potential strength stays the same. Mental has nothing to do with that part of the lift. If that were the case it would not matter if you took creatine or not. Mentally you could just focus and still put up the weight. You are also less likely to risk injury when their is more water in there.


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11/06/2020 8:36 pm  
Posted by: pillsbury
no. i thought about checking out the definition online but am too lazy.

lol you know that I got fired up for a minute when I read this. I'm a smartass too tho so I got over it fast.

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11/06/2020 8:58 pm  
Posted by: pillsbury
no your not stronger it just feels better. there is a huge difference. its mental, not physical.
the above statement does not mean you can starve yourself for days or not eat correctly and expect to maintain strength; rather excessive glycogen storage is not paramount for strength
why is cycling your carbs a problem
legs and back can handle a tremendous amount of volume for a lot of reasons one of them being how large they are

the carb cycling is a problem because I'd rather just stay on the monohydrate. I started gaining some fat whem using the simple carbs everyday tho. I may still do it when I get a little leaner. My goal is gain mass and stay fairly lean. Don't want to do the old school bulking and cutting but I might allow a little fat gain.

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