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Calvin
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03/07/2018 5:45 am  

I work out 4 times pr week now, In a 2 split system, så basicly I get trough the hole body 2 times a week.

Would it help growing if i put in a 5 training day where i only did chest (BenchPress, BarbellPress and flyes)

I realy need my chest to grow more than the rest of my body
I useually train Mon,Tue,Thu,Fri and the chest routine are in mondag and thursday passes,,would it help to put a short and hard chest only day on saturday. Or vill I overtrain ?

Im just started on a Deca/Winstrol Cycle

Begging for good advices


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BigWilly
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03/07/2018 6:29 am  

I'm a big fan of training each bodypart once per week...except abs.

So I probably won't tell you what you want to hear.

Btw, this is on or off cycle.


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bjjfighter
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03/07/2018 7:09 am  

I gotta agree with Big Willy...I also do other traing extensivelly though. You dont do your growin by workin out--you do it by resting. I would focus on eating more and sleeping more. Your body has a limit to how much it will grow.
The only thing I would train 2x's a week would be arms. I believe they aree a small enough muscle group to warrant this kind of traing.

struggle---and shine on

Just because there is a goalie, doesnt mean you can't score.

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ready2explode
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03/07/2018 7:42 am  

What I would recommend you doing in your situation is to cut the rest of your parts to 1x a week, but train chest 2x a week.

Something like this (keep in mind it's late, and I'm really tired...just spitting out an example):
Day 1: Chest n Shoulders
Day 2: Legs
Day 3: Off
Day 4: Chest n Tris
Day 5: Back n Bis
Day 6: Off
Day 7: Off

"In any contest between power and patience, bet on patience."
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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
~Albert Einstein


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Calvin
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03/07/2018 8:17 am  

tnx for replyes 🙂

Before I startet on Juice i trained this program :

Mon : Chest \ Triceps\Abs
Wed : Back \ Biceps\Abs
Fri : Shoulders \ Legs\Abs

I changed program because I beleved that my body regenerated a lot faster on juice. I feels a bit strange to not train any more when on juice...But my main goal on this cycle is to get my chest up with the rest of my body..

How is this for a program,

Week 1

Day 1 Chest
Day 2 Back \ Biceps
Day 3 Rest
Day 4 Shoulders \ Triceps
Day 5 Legs
Day 6\7 Rest

Week 2

Day 1 Chest
Day 2 Back \ Biceps
Day 3 Rest
Day 4 Chest \ Triceps
Day 5 Legs \ Shoulders
Day 6\7 Rest

and start over again


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ready2explode
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03/07/2018 9:17 am  

How about throwing triceps on day 1 of week 2, and shoulders on day 4? Hitting chest and shoulders on 2 diff days so close together seems too much as you work a lot of shoulders when you do chest.

Other than that, it looks good.

"In any contest between power and patience, bet on patience."
~W.B. Prescott

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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Restless
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03/07/2018 10:06 am  

Train your body parts at least twice a week, while on AAS or not.

Training once a week is wastying most potential for growth. Especially while natural.


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bjjfighter
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03/07/2018 10:55 am  

Ever hear of overtraining? I think a blanket statement like 'train twice no matter what or its a waste' is very shortsighted. Listen to your body.

struggle---and shine on

Just because there is a goalie, doesnt mean you can't score.

Satisfaction is the death of desire.

Practice makes perfect; and I love 2 practice!!
-Dan Gable


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Restless
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03/07/2018 11:28 am  
Posted by: bjjfighter
Ever hear of overtraining? I think a blanket statement like 'train twice no matter what or its a waste' is very shortsighted. Listen to your body.

Science has already told us that training once a week is a poor choice. Shortsighted is the dogmatic atitude of the once a week crowd that chose to ignore this.

Overtraining is a systemic condition, it affects the neural, endocrine and immune systems and has NOTHING to do with how many times you train a bodypart a week.

Please explain to me how can two routines with the same number number of total sets and the exact same number of sets per bodypart be any different regarding overtraining potential?

Why does 3 sets 3 times a week lead to more overtraining than 9 sets once per week?


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Restless
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03/07/2018 12:04 pm  

And just to let you know, I overtrained once with a once a week routine with all sets to failure.


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Restless
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04/02/2019 4:13 pm  
Posted by: bjjfighter
Good luck. I feel that this has become quite offtopic so I wont probably respond here anymore, lest I lose my gentlemanly manners.

Right, nice way of avoiding substanciating your arguments.


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Restless
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04/02/2019 5:01 pm  
Posted by: debo604
Restless, you take a very strong stance against something that I think can only be determined by individual preference.

LIke I said, it was determined bu science. You telling me that training with pink underwear or once a week is optimal for muscle growth is the same thing to me. It makes no sense.

Posted by: debo604
want to also add that training once a week has been very beneficial to me. By no means am I doing 9 sets of one excercise either, but I'm definitely not half-assin' it, which is what I'd be doing if I was trying to cram everything into 2 days.
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What is half assing it? Doing 4 sets twp times per week is half assing? Or 3 set three times per week? Or do you mean you train to failure?


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bjjfighter
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04/02/2019 5:41 pm  
Posted by: Restless
Right, nice way of avoiding substanciating your arguments.

...and lastly, please learn to spell correctly before you engage in activities by which you're attempting to express your intelligence.
As I said before, I was relating my experience. That is all. Since you simply want to argue, I'm gone. I haven't the time for it.

struggle---and shine on

Just because there is a goalie, doesnt mean you can't score.

Satisfaction is the death of desire.

Practice makes perfect; and I love 2 practice!!
-Dan Gable


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Restless
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04/02/2019 6:36 pm  
Posted by: bjjfighter
...and lastly, please learn to spell correctly before you engage in activities by which you're attempting to express your intelligence.

Feel free to correct my spelling, english is my second language and I always appreciate any help in improving it.

Trying to express inteligence? Nice, really nice....I apologize for daring to chalenge the fundamental dogma of your training philosophy, I'll agree with what everyone says for now on, this way we can regurgitate the same myths over and over again and never risk evolving. That should make you happier.

Posted by: bjjfighter
... As I said before, I was relating my experience. That is all. Since you simply want to argue, I'm gone. I haven't the time for it.

I wouldn't you want to argue? This is a forum and a forum is a place to argue about things and to try and learn new things, which will hardly happen with an atitude like yours.

And to the original poster, the advice you got is not the best. There's nothing wrong with training twice a week because overall volume and intensity (as in closeness to failure) is what determines overtraining. Training once a week is compromising growth potential.


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debo604
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04/02/2019 7:08 pm  

Ha, pink underwear, funny. By individual preference I mean their overall goals, and the amount of time that person has in the gym. Let me explain…

I have about an hour or so to burn in the gym. My goal is to build muscle. When I work out I am trying to go heavy 8 to 10 reps, 3-4 sets usually. I do maybe 4 or 5 exercises per muscle group. This is because I want to hit the area of focus in different ways, to break the muscle down completely. Also, my rest period between each is usually 45 secs to a minute. Simply stated, I do not feel that I would be breaking down the muscle, as it should be done, trying to get everything in twice a week (not only that but I don not have near enough energy).

Also, I'd like to know where this scientific evidence you speak of is coming from. So far I haven’t seen anything to support this. Are you talking about research with experimental and control groups, or just what you see when working out, or what? In all fairness, this has not caught on here at my gym. I don’t see anyone training twice a week except newbies, or those guys you see walking around with huge arms and neglected calves and such.


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