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escholar05
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05/02/2020 1:25 pm  

My research subject is 230lbs at around 15% bodyfat. He has been using conventional fatburning supplements and a low/no carb diet since the end of may and has lost 20 pounds, but for the last two weeks his weight has stabilized at 230, which puzzles me, since calories taken in should still be below calories utilized.

In my experiment, I would like to see what can be done to break through this plateau and continue to have my subject lean out. Currently he is eating 350g protein/100g fat/<50g carbs, training 5 times a week, and also doing at least 30 min of cardio with a heart rate zone of 140-160. I beleive this should be enough for the subject to continue losing weight, but it has not been. Subject is of the endo/meso (muscular, but bulky) bodytype and is looking to become harder and more defined.

Any reccomendations?


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ready2explode
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05/02/2020 1:41 pm  

Interval training.

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escholar05
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05/02/2020 2:06 pm  

Interesting, can you outline an example? Subject is unable to do sprints or really anything other than an elliptical or bike, because he has 6 cadaver knee ligaments and reconstructed ankles.


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05/02/2020 2:29 pm  

you can do HIIT on any cardio equipment. I do mine on a stationary bike. 90seconds at a normal pace and then for 30 seconds I increase the resistance and pedal as fast as I can. The first week do this for 10 minutes (5 cycles) the next week increase this by 1 cycle and so on until you get to 30 minutes. Another variable I have been playing with instead of increasing the time (I don't want to go over 30 minutes) is increase the sprint phase by 10 seconds so I am doing 70 seconds of cruising and 40 seconds of sprinting


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escholar05
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05/02/2020 2:49 pm  

thanks guys.


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escholar05
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05/02/2020 3:11 pm  

what about adding t3 or Albuterol alongside interval training in this experiment? Just out of curiosity.


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Bilter
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05/02/2020 3:37 pm  
Posted by: escholar05
what about adding T3 or Albuterol alongside interval training in this experiment? Just out of curiosity.

I would not use any T3 unless you are also on AAS. As far as the albuteral I have no experience with it. I have use clen in the past, it is effective but due to the possible implications on heart function it is now on my list of things to never take again.

You can try some yohimbe and or green tea to aid in fat loss. there are some other otc fat burners that are pretty good too


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05/02/2020 4:05 pm  

45 minutes of moderate intesity walking 5 times per week and a little dosage of efedrine, cafeine and aspirin.

"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.


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05/02/2020 4:23 pm  

I use guijr's suggestion very effectively. light doses of yohimbine with caffeine on an empty stomach prior to cardio can aid as well.

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escholar05
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05/02/2020 4:48 pm  

yohimbe makes me feel like shit, haha. I'm just gonna do ephedrine, caffeine and green tea coupled w/ 50 min of moderate cardio per day.


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guijr
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05/02/2020 5:10 pm  

I learn with JB the effectiviness of yohimbine and I liked it a lot.

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Andy13
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05/02/2020 5:32 pm  

Dan Duchaine once recomended coming off the diet for a week (or was it two?) and eating with a slightly positive caloric balance to supposedly "recharge" metabolism.

Problem is, you have to be deciplined as hell to increase your calories without going ape shit and eating whole pizzas and cereal by the box (oh, wait.. that's just what I do when I come off a diet)..

Why so much protein? What other "supps" is this guy on?


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escholar05
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05/02/2020 6:02 pm  

I'm eating so much protein because my diet is ketogenic-palumbo style. 200 lbs lean mass x 1.5 g per lb=350g protein.

I've been doin a big ass cheat meal every 10 days or so to ramp the metabolism back up, and with the addition of hiit cardio my weight has started to drop again.


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05/02/2020 6:33 pm  
Posted by: escholar05
I'm eating so much protein because my diet is ketogenic-palumbo style. 200 lbs lean mass x 1.5 g per lb=350g protein.

I've been doin a big ass cheat meal every 10 days or so to ramp the metabolism back up, and with the addition of hiit cardio my weight has started to drop again.

What's a big ass cheat meal?

Go ahead and eat your cheat meal if it helps you get through the other 9 days, but don't think it's going to do squat for your metabolism.


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05/02/2020 7:01 pm  

I eat more after 3-4 days of hard dieting.

"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.


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