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Bellina
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07/06/2020 7:52 am  

I assume this would apply to men as well...

Perhaps the first study to show the link between accumulation of fat in muscle tissues may be related to low vitamin d levels. When 90 healthy California women ages 16-22 were tested for 25(OH)D storage form of vitamin d, almost 60% were deficient despite the sunny climate. The lower d levels correlated with a higher percent of muscle fat scores.


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07/06/2020 8:11 am  

Vit D is very under rated, it is linked to increased Testosterone& thyroid function, so i guess it makes sense that they now suggest it is linked to muscle fat accumulation


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07/06/2020 8:32 am  

I thought the same thing in regards to thyroid. I can't say anything for my test production as I feel it's in the toilet. However I was taking 2000 iu a day and had to back it down to 1000 iu because I was starving all the time. I have since cut WAY back on my thyroid meds since I started it. I believe it has a major impact on t3/T4 conversion as well.


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07/06/2020 8:53 am  

Guess that answered my cause and effect question.

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07/06/2020 9:13 am  

What's the rda on vit d?

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Bellina
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07/06/2020 9:33 am  

This is the actual RDA. However there is still a lot of debate.

* Below 50 5 mcg or 200 international units is adequate

* For ages 50-70, 10 mcg or 400 international units is better

* For ages 71+, aim for at least 15 mcg (600 international units)

I personally have found 1,000- 2,000 iu's ed dependent on individual diet and sun exposure to have a marked positive effect. This also is what the new RDA is expected to be. The below article is more in line with what I feel to be accurate and outlines doseages for healthy as well as ill individuals. As with anything I find it best to start in lower doses and listen to your body.

We predict the future recommended daily allowance (RDA) for vitamin D, for otherwise healthy people, will be at least 1000 IU/day (in the new official units for vitamins, this translates to 25 ug/day). This amount is already the consensus of nutrition experts in the field of osteoporosis and vitamin D. Such recommendations only apply to healthy people. If you have vitamin D deficiency, or the diseases of vitamin D deficiency, you need to be under the care of a physician.

Monitoring 25(OH)D Levels

At this time, we advise even healthy people (those without the diseases of vitamin D deficiency) to seek a knowledgeable physician and have your 25(OH)D level measured. If your levels are below 50 ng/mL you need enough sun, artificial light, oral vitamin D3 supplements, or some combination of the three, to maintain your 25(OH)D levels between 50–80 ng/mL year-round.

How Much Vitamin D?

If you refuse to see a physician, or can't find a knowledgeable one, purchase the 1000 IU/day vitamin D3 cholecalciferol pills that are available over-the-counter in North America or a 5,000 IU capsule. Take an average of 5,000 IU a day, year-round, if you have some sun exposure. If you have little, or no, sun exposure you will need to take at least 5,000 IU per day. How much more depends on your latitude of residence, skin pigmentation, and body weight. Generally speaking, the further you live away from the equator, the darker your skin, and/or the more you weigh, the more you will have to take to maintain healthy blood levels.

For example, Dr. Cannell lives at latitude 32 degrees, weighs 220 pounds, and has fair skin. In the late fall and winter he takes 5,000 IU per day. In the early fall and spring he takes 2,000 IU per day. In the summer he regularly sunbathes for a few minutes most days and thus takes no vitamin D on those days in the summer. The only way you can know how much you vitamin D you need to take is by repeatedly getting your blood tested—known as a 25(OH)D test—and seeing what you need to do to keep your level around 50 ng/mL.

Vitamin D Upper Limit

If you absolutely avoid the sun, you should have your 25(OH)D level measured and remember that a maximum of two pills a day (50 ug or 2,000 IU) is the upper limit (UL) currently listed by the Food and Nutrition Board as the amount not to exceed unless under the care of a physician. When it comes to vitamin D, the right amount is good—a lot is not better and can be dangerous. However, 2,000 IU a day is simply not enough for many people to get the full benefit of vitamin D, nor is it enough to keep vitamin D levels around 50 ng/mL, especially in the winter.
Maintaining 25(OH)D Levels

If you are suffering from any of the diseases associated with vitamin D deficiency you need to be under the care of a knowledgeable physician. Your physician needs to replete your vitamin D system with sunlight, artificial light, oral vitamin D, or a combination of the three, while treating your vitamin D deficiency illnesses using conventional means. Regardless of the method used, we believe your physician should be certain your 25(OH)D levels are maintained between 50–80 ng/mL.

For those who do not fear the sun, judiciously expose as much skin as possible to direct midday sunlight for 1/4 the time it takes for one's skin to turn red during those months when the proper ultraviolet light occurs at one's latitude (usually late spring, summer and early fall). Do not get sunburned. Vitamin D production is already maximized before your skin turns pink and further exposure does not increase levels of vitamin D but may increase your risk of skin cancer. Black patients may need 5–10 times longer in the sun than white patients, depending on skin type. After several months of judicious sun exposure, a 25(OH)D level should again be obtained to ensure levels between 50–80 ng/mL.

As far as vitamin D supplements are concerned, we believe cholecalciferol is the preferred oral form of vitamin D, as it is the compound your skin makes naturally when you go in the sun. It is more potent and perhaps even safer than the synthetic analog, ergocalciferol, in more common use. Vieth R, Chan PC, MacFarlane GD. Efficacy and safety of vitamin D3 intake exceeding the lowest observed adverse effect level. Am J Clin Nutr. 2001 Feb;73(2):288–94. Cholecalciferol is 1.7 times more efficient at raising 25(OH)D levels than is ergocalciferol. Trang HM, Cole DE, Rubin LA, Pierratos A, Siu S, Vieth R. Evidence that vitamin D3 increases serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D more efficiently than does vitamin D2. Am J Clin Nutr. 1998 Oct;68(4):854–8.
Calcitriol Contraindicated in Vitamin D Deficiency

Ergocalciferol has been used safely by physicians for years for a variety of indications. Unfortunately, when doctors don't prescribe ergocalciferol, they sometimes prescribe calcitriol or newer analogs of calcitriol, costing thousands of times more than cholecalciferol. Calcitriol, and its analogs, are contraindicated in vitamin D deficiency because they may cause hypercalcemia and they fail to address the real problem: low stores of 25(OH)D. Cholecalciferol repletes the vitamin D system by filling up your vitamin D tank with 25(OH)D, the vitamin D fuel. Vieth R. The pharmacology of vitamin D, including fortification strategies. In:Feldman D, Glorieux F, eds. Vitamin D, Chapter 61, in press, 2nd ed. Academic Press, San Diego.

Giving calcitriol, or its analogs, for vitamin D deficiency is like shooting ether into your engine to keep your car running. In addition, they pose a significant risk of hypercalcemia (high blood calcium). If you have a simple vitamin D deficiency and your doctor insists on prescribing calcitriol or an expensive analog of vitamin D (other than cholecalciferol or ergocalciferol), find another doctor.
Hypersensitivity Not Toxicity

Vitamin D hypersensitivity syndromes are often mistaken for vitamin D toxicity. This rare syndrome occurs when abnormal tissue subvert the kidney's normal regulation of endocrine 1,25(OH)2D3 (calcitriol) production. Aberrant tissues, usually granulomatous in nature, convert 25(OH)D into 1,25(OH)2D3 causing high blood calcium. The most common of such conditions are sarcoidosis, oat cell carcinoma of the lung, and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma although other illness, such as primary hyperparathyroidism, can cause the syndrome. Periodic measurements of 25(OH)D levels and serum calcium will alert the physician to the need to do more tests, such as 1,25(OH)2D3 or PTH.

Toxicity is simply not a concern in doses below 10,000 units a day. Restoring physiological serum levels of 25(OH)D will help many more patients than it will hurt.


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07/06/2020 10:01 am  

Great infio Bellina

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07/06/2020 10:18 am  

I was just trying to figure out how much is in milk(not that much)but thanks Bel. Very good read.

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07/06/2020 11:08 am  

Started d3 today. The thought of converting t4 to T3 is what sold me. E/c does this but ephedrine makes me too damn jittery. Like my caffiene tho.

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