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Coppi
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24/08/2019 7:05 am  

No one has asked effect on Hct... OK so AAS tends to give boost to Hct levels, but would higher test levels as a result of SERM's do this as well, or no?


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Realgains
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24/08/2019 7:24 am  
Posted by: Coppi
No one has asked effect on Hct... OK so AAS tends to give boost to Hct levels, but would higher test levels as a result of SERM's do this as well, or no?

Maybe a little bit over months but not much I think. Never helped my crit.

RG


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24/08/2019 7:53 am  

Hey RG, please can you explain how an HCG only cycle would compare to the clomid/Nolva ones? Thanks.


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24/08/2019 8:18 am  
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Hey RG, please can you explain how an HCG only cycle would compare to the Clomid/Nolva ones? Thanks.

Well HCG mimics LH from the pituitary. The increase in T, as well as the increase in estrogen from the aromatization of this test will have an inhibitory affect on the hypothalamus. So on HCG your are going to be shutting down the hypothalamus and pituitary to some degree and if you take enough they will totally shut down.

Testes do not shut down of course.

You don't want to take more than 500iu's at a time and only a few days a week or you can end up desensitizing your testes to LH.

I am not sure how high T levels would get on HCG at 500iu's every other day but probably higher than a SERM like Clomid or nolva could boost ya.

Now a SERM cycle doesn't shut down anything. All you are doing is blocking estrogen's inhibitory affect at the hypothalamus. This makes the hypothalamus put out more gonadotropin releasing hormone.....which stimulates the pituitary to put out more LH and FSH and these hormones make the testes produce MORE Testosterone.

Someone should do a study here on how much T increase you get from 500iu's of HCG injected every other day.....maybe starting with 250iu's and testing and then trying 500iu's.

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24/08/2019 8:41 am  

Great post Realgains.Now i want to pose possibly a stupid question.If i am a endurance cyclist only looking for recovery should i drop the test and only use a estrogen blocker.This makes cycles a lot easier.What about a Tren Ace and nolva only cycle.I know that most guys say you should always have some test in your cycle but what do you guys think now.Remember we are only talking about using for recovery.


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Realgains
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24/08/2019 9:10 am  
Posted by: lisa
Great post Realgains.Now i want to pose possibly a stupid question.If i am a endurance cyclist only looking for recovery should i drop the test and only use a estrogen blocker.This makes cycles a lot easier.What about a Tren ace and nolva only cycle.I know that most guys say you should always have some test in your cycle but what do you guys think now.Remember we are only talking about using for recovery.

Serm only is fine....Clomid can make a lot of guys feel weepy, depressed or blue....Nolva is a better choice for most.

Tren...nope...not if you are after recovery...nothing beats test...not even HGH.

RG


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24/08/2019 9:40 am  

With a 1/2 life of 5 days, am I correct in assuming that after the ninth day of starting nolva only you would have the maximun accumulation possible?


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24/08/2019 10:06 am  

The strogen-blockers act in the pituitari, they increase the LH and FSH which result in an increase of the testosterone.
But tamoxifen decrease serum levels of IGF-I. That is the way it works to stop cancer and that is NOT GOOD AT ALL for an athlete.


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Realgains
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24/08/2019 10:26 am  
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The strogen-blockers act in the pituitari, they increase the LH and FSH which result in an increase of the testosterone.
But tamoxifen decrease serum levels of IGF-I. That is the way it works to stop cancer and that is NOT GOOD AT ALL for an athlete.

Bro...the reason it stops cancer is because it blocks estrogen at the breast receptor sites. IGF-1 reduction is minimal on tamoxifen. Lots of bodybuilder use the stuff all the time to prevent gyno and they still get great gains.

The increase in T production from nolva will more than offset the slight reduction in IGF-1. In fact nolva reducing IGF-1 is not totally accepted as fact anyway.

RG


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crowell392
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24/08/2019 10:49 am  

sorry im new here and im a cyclist but im curious to know how these blockers help in cycling ,what are the benefits


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24/08/2019 11:16 am  

"Nolvadex has been shown to behave as estrogens in skeletal muscles (5). This is a very good thing for every athletes except bodybuilders. You see, estrogens protect muscle cells from the training-induced damages (5-6). It means that one can train more without damaging his muscles. Recovery will also be much faster. But for bodybuilders, the training-induced damages are a key ingredient to trigger growth. nolvadex will therefore reduce the muscle building effects of resistance training."

Just read this from a post about why Nolva is a bad thing for bodybuilders. If this is true I would assume this is another plus for endurance based athletes from its use?


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