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guijr
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29/11/2018 6:34 am  
Posted by: jboldman
tren first thing in the morning, drol 7a, 12, 5p. did i mention that i was also on prop at the time

that was at the height of my experimenting believing that i could get massive like the mags.

and yes it was hemogenin, guijr! I had a friend at the time in brazil send it up to me.

jb

Did you have? That means that he passed away? Gee, this gear can really kill you. Awful black humor, sorry just kidding .

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29/11/2018 7:25 am  
Posted by: jboldman
tren first thing in the morning, drol 7a, 12, 5p. did i mention that i was also on prop at the time

that was at the height of my experimenting believing that i could get massive like the mags.

and yes it was hemogenin, guijr! I had a friend at the time in brazil send it up to me.

jb

no more hopes?

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29/11/2018 8:10 am  

i pretty much went thru the drill, 2gram plus does, mega carefully controlled caloried, tons of protein, drinking protein shakes every three hours, plenty of rest and both over and under training. studied, read, listened, tried things i would not recommend to others now. I did manage to pack on 30 solid lbs of muscle and made a magical transformation of my body but learned that genetics do play a role in being a well defined mass monster. THe fact that i am 60 years old may have also weighed against me!

I am very happy with the way i look now, i still turn heads and manage a lifestyle that most other 60year olds never realized even when they were 25. I am perfectly content to add a lb here, bring up a muscle group there. surprisingly i am still getting stronger but not by leaps and lbs and relative to my starting point! I can still remember having been training fairly hard for a few years and had to have my wife come down to the gym to spot me on the fifties! THis was obviously before i parted from jim weiders solutions and branched out on a more fruitful path.

nowadays when my wife gets frisky i remind her that i can press her weight with either arm. So, no no more hopes and also no desire to be massive. I am a frank zane kind of guy.

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29/11/2018 8:52 am  

and in the same age range Let's hope you are a tad healthier than frank though

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29/11/2018 9:40 am  
Posted by: Big Cat
Let's hope you are a tad healthier than frank though

What's wrong with Frank?


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29/11/2018 10:37 am  
Posted by: omnibus
What's wrong with Frank?

I've never heard he got ill. As a matter of fact, until today he seems very healthy.

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29/11/2018 11:17 am  
Posted by: jboldman
i pretty much went thru the drill, 2gram plus does, mega carefully controlled caloried, tons of protein, drinking protein shakes every three hours, plenty of rest and both over and under training. studied, read, listened, tried things i would not recommend to others now. I did manage to pack on 30 solid lbs of muscle and made a magical transformation of my body but learned that genetics do play a role in being a well defined mass monster. THe fact that i am 60 years old may have also weighed against me!

I am very happy with the way i look now, i still turn heads and manage a lifestyle that most other 60year olds never realized even when they were 25. I am perfectly content to add a lb here, bring up a muscle group there. surprisingly i am still getting stronger but not by leaps and lbs and relative to my starting point! I can still remember having been training fairly hard for a few years and had to have my wife come down to the gym to spot me on the fifties! THis was obviously before i parted from jim weiders solutions and branched out on a more fruitful path.

nowadays when my wife gets frisky i remind her that i can press her weight with either arm. So, no no more hopes and also no desire to be massive. I am a frank zane kind of guy.

jb

then you began around 170 lb?
i am 42 and began at 138 lb and now 200 lb.
5´8´´wrist 5.9 inches,ankles 7.7 inches.

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29/11/2018 12:05 pm  

well i actually began at around 155 at my lowest ripped up weight with a looking very good weight of 195. i dont count that extra 10lbs although i probably could. currently i have put on a few too many lbs and weigh in at around 220. Course i would like to be optomistic and say i only need to lose 20 lbs but as you get closer and closer..... this at 6'0"

that's a lot of weight for you to put on with what seems to be a very small bone structure. good job. what is your waist?

jb


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29/11/2018 12:44 pm  
Posted by: omnibus
What's wrong with Frank?

Frank screwed up his thyroid back in his competitive days ...

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29/11/2018 1:38 pm  

well, for now at least, my thyroid and all other systems are a go!

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29/11/2018 2:24 pm  
Posted by: Big Cat
Frank screwed up his thyroid back in his competitive days ...

Well, at least he is still alive and in a very good shape, taking in consideration that several of his peers are already dead or something .

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29/11/2018 3:02 pm  

Nephrol Dial Transplant. 2001 Sep;16(9):1799-806.

Thyroxine treatment induces upregulation of renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system due to decreasing effective plasma volume in patients with primary myxoedema.

Park CW, Shin YS, Ahn SJ, Kim SY, Choi EJ, Chang YS, Bang BK.

Division of Nephrology, Department of Internal Medicine, College of Medicine, The Catholic University of Korea, #62 Yoido-Dong, Youngdungpo-Ku, Seoul 150-713, Korea.

BACKGROUND: In experimental animals and humans, hypothyroidism is associated with fluid retention and generalized oedema, increased antidiuretic hormone (ADH), decreased atrial natriuretic hormone (ANH), and decreased renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system (RAAS), which subsequently can be corrected by thyroid hormone replacement. The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of thyroxine therapy on RAAS and neurohormones affecting water and electrolyte metabolism and the reason for these changes in patients with primary myxoedema. METHODS: We measured changes in the plasma renin activity (PRA), serum aldosterone (Aldo), ADH, ANH levels, serum and 24 h urinary electrolytes and osmolalities, and cardiac function in 22 female patients with primary myxoedema before and after correction of hypothyroidism. We also evaluated age-, sex-, and BMI-matched 15 healthy control subjects (Cont). RESULTS: It took an average of 4.3 months (range, 3-9 months) to normalize thyroid function. The mean reductions of body weight and estimated plasma volume were 1.8+/-1.0 kg (P=0.002) and 8.5% (P<0.001), respectively. In addition, serum Na+ and osmolality and the haematocrit were significantly elevated after correction of hypothyroidism (P<0.01 and P<0.001, respectively). Increased F(E)Na and C(OSM) (P<0.05) levels in patients with hypothyroidism (Ho) compared with those in Cont did not change after thyroxine therapy (Eu). However, C(H(2)O), U(E)K, F(E)K, and TTKG levels as well as creatinine clearance (Ccr) were markedly increased in Eu compared with Ho and Cont (P<0.01, respectively). Increased plasma ADH concentration and decreased plasma ANH concentration were normalized compared to Cont after thyroxine therapy (P<0.001 and P<0.01, respectively). Low PRA and serum Aldo concentration in Ho were significantly increased in Eu (P<0.001 and P<0.01, respectively). In addition, increased left ventricular mass index and decreased cardiac output in Ho were normalized compared to Cont after thyroxine therapy (P<0.01, respectively) CONCLUSIONS: These findings suggest that the exaggerated upregulation of RAAS after correction of hypothyroidism in patients with primary myxoedema is associated with an increase in Ccr and a decrease in plasma volume resulting from water diuresis, natriuresis, osmotic diuresis and inappropriate changes in plasma ADH and ANH levels. The improved renal function coincided with an amelioration of cardiac function. These changes seem to be an adaptive response for preventing excessive plasma volume and weight loss after thyroxine therapy.

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29/11/2018 3:37 pm  

Great read oswaldosalcedo
I wonder if t3 has same effect?

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29/11/2018 4:31 pm  
Posted by: Tazmaniac
Less water retention...

Hmmm...well, maybe it's just the way my body is, I swell up while eating a shitload of carbs while on.

If I keep the carb intake low to moderate with good exercise, my water retention is minimal.

Carbohydrates in and of itself will influence systemic edema independent of androgens. For each gram of carbohydrate you store as glycogen, your body simultaneously stores four grams of water. Now, this is even more noticeable upon exercising as carbs get depleted during the activity, your body releases the attached water and you experience an even more significant loss of water weight.

Excess estrogen circulation added to your intake of a "shitload of carbs" = even more discernable water retention/bloat.

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29/11/2018 5:26 pm  
Posted by: jboldman
well i actually began at around 155 at my lowest ripped up weight with a looking very good weight of 195. i dont count that extra 10lbs although i probably could. currently i have put on a few too many lbs and weigh in at around 220. Course i would like to be optomistic and say i only need to lose 20 lbs but as you get closer and closer..... this at 6'0"

that's a lot of weight for you to put on with what seems to be a very small bone structure. good job. what is your waist?

jb


31 inches on keto diets.

Posted by: motomatt
Great read oswaldosalcedo
I wonder if T3 has same effect?

no, to my knowledge.

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