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16/09/2018 7:11 am  

I have the opportunity to purchase Actovegin in either ampules or pills.
I am assuming IM would be the most effective of the two.

Also, in taking Actovegin, do you cycle it, is there a limit on how long you should take it before it loses its effectiveness or becomes unsafe?

My plan is for racing for next season and wondering if you cycle it for certain races or use it for the season.

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Asa


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39x23
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16/09/2018 7:53 am  

Got my order of actovegin today. Did 6ml sq (quads) this afternoon, will see how my legs feel in the morning. Plan on doing a tough local training ride tomorrow, legs were cooked today.


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16/09/2018 8:35 am  
Posted by: 39x23
Got my order of actovegin today. Did 6ml sq (quads) this afternoon, will see how my legs feel in the morning. Plan on doing a tough local training ride tomorrow, legs were cooked today.

Keep us posted I also have acto,it would b great to b able to use it that way for recovery on a now and again basis. M/track


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16/09/2018 9:28 am  

Hi madtrack what is the generic name of actovegin


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eposino
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16/09/2018 10:11 am  

Actovegin is: deproteinized haemoderivative (in english).


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16/09/2018 11:10 am  

cheers eposino


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madtrack
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16/09/2018 12:07 pm  

Extract of calfs blood ,there are various similar makes;but actovegin by nycomed Austria is the real deal. M/track


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16/09/2018 1:07 pm  

This is a follow up to the above post

I did a little test on the bike using power, hr and pe. Bike set-up: computrainer (ergo mode), powertap sl and HR monitor. Both days were done at the same time, same place, same bike, same everything.

One test was done "clean" the other with 6ml of acto. taken sq (quad area) 12 hours b4 test. Tests were done 24 hours apart and were 20' @ threshold power

Wattage output, hr and pe were the same on both days with and without Acto..

Soreness and muscle/tendon pain were greatly reduced about 5 hour after the Acto. injection and lasted about 24 hours. I felt more of a difference off the bike and sleeping than i did on the bike. I have a number of nagging pains that seemed to just disappear. I didnt fully realize this till i was falling asleep, as that is when the pain sometimes keeps me awake.


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16/09/2018 1:45 pm  

U inj. SQ beneath skin and not IM in quad muscles? M/track


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16/09/2018 2:23 pm  

Sq?? Ouch! I used some acto this way and it hurt. My understanding was to use it IV, was told to mix 2ml amp with 5% Glucose solution, use a 10ml syringe. I was also told that it was most effective in combo with the big E. It seemed to work for me, but hard a hard time in very hot conditions, not necessarily during an event, but just after. Felt very overheated.

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madtrack
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16/09/2018 3:10 pm  

Yes I think IV is traditional method 4 acto.M/track


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16/09/2018 3:48 pm  

Yes, my understanding is that iv is the way to go. I didnt want to mainline until I found out how my body reacted to it. SQ did not hurt at all btw

Dosages are 5-10ml iv from what i have read. I guess sq is ok to use also but is only about 30% as effective. I would think that im would work really well for injuries but nycomed's website doesn't list it as a method of administration.


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16/09/2018 4:48 pm  

If u take SQ, or IM u just piss most of it out before it enters your blood stream properly so most effectively done by IV.


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16/09/2018 5:33 pm  

Torro have u heard of acto being used for recovery only after hard training or race? M/track


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16/09/2018 6:29 pm  

To be honest I'm more familiar with solcoseryl which appears to have the same properties as actovegin. I've done loads of research and I am very friendly with some eastern-european athletes who are very successful in my sport whom I regularly train with, and have talked to them about this. I've heard of it being used both during recovery with a B12 injection and 2 hours before a race with good results in both circumstances. I've heard of good results with recovery when taken over a 7-10 day recovery phase daily or every 2nd/3rd day, or after key workouts. Also seems to work well training at altitude.
I haven't used it before but myself and my training partner are starting it this winter. In fact my training partner has been using solcoseryl for the last 4 weeks and has had some good late season results.


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