Fuck rotator cuffs if lower dumbells too much on press?

Yup i never go too low to the point where the shoulder joint is hyper extended. It's a fast ticket to wrecked shoulder joints the way i see it, and mine are not the best anyways, right one in particular. As long as you can feel the pecs working through their range of motion, it will work ok.

Mine KILL me if I go down too far, I have found that just going to 90 deg on the elbows works the chest enough, and does not strain the shoulders too much

Don't ever do them. Any exercise that forces the elbow out wide from the body endangers the shoulder joint and rotator cuff. Medium to close grip bench press is the most effective exercise for developing the chest (shoulders and tri's). It's all I've really been doing for chest for nearly 3 years (and my chest is as good as ever and no injuries). My tri's are best ever and shoulders too (and I do no traditional shoulders exercises ie. shoulders press/side laterals either. Heavy benches done properly for my money (and time). Watch out though they are hard, BUT SO IS LIFE!! J.T.J.

interesting point, so you dont do shoulder presses or lateral raises? what do you do for shoulders as im interested in other ideas just incase something goes wrong with me in the future! cheers

I do no traditional shoulders exercises either. Oh except Military Press. And i believe my shoulders are my best body part - go figure ?

Originally posted by Hess I do no traditional shoulders exercises either. Oh except Military Press. That is a traditonal/conventional shoulder exercise.

i love incline DB press but dont ever go too low as I picked up a shoulder injury in footy and every now and again i get a little niggling to remind me its there

Originally posted by adam ryan interesting point, so you dont do shoulder presses or lateral raises? what do you do for shoulders as im interested in other ideas just incase something goes wrong with me in the future! cheers Adam, The only exercises I do for Upper body are: Free Weight Flat Bench, Close Reverse Grip lat pulldown, Close grip lat Pulldown, One are dumb row, Seated Row, Standing Alt Dumb Curl, Tri Pushdowns. And my physique is more balanced than ever and my arms are proportionally bigger than ever. Big weights = big muscles, light weights = little muscles the better the technique the better you'll look!! J.T.J.

Originally posted by JerryTheJuicer Big weights = big muscles, light weights = little muscles I've been preaching thast message for years, and yet there are so many people i see that disagree with this basic premise in BB, and they never ever change physically.

i think as well when doing incline DB's make sure and lower at a slow and steady pace, dont let them drop at 100mph then bounce off the botton and up again,

I've the same problem too. I don't go much further than 90 deg anymore. Otherwise I will PAY for it. O/T JerryTheJuicer. I'm quite interested in what your regime is like. 3 x a week and only so few exercises? What are is your training split like? How often do you change your exercises? Sorry for the questions 🙂 You seem to do things very differently to everyone else.

Looks like it's unanimous so far! I hate wide-grip anything, terrible damage to shoulders! I do dips in close as possible, and only down so my upper arms are parallel to the floor. Close gip benches I only go down to about 3-4 inches from my chest. I do barbell presses for shoulders and only use shoulder width grip, bar only down to the top of my ears. Joint integrity is very important, especially the more advanced you become. Muscles and nervous system adjust to increasing load, joints don't.

fuck yeah jtj. i was doin like chest bis and tris one day and shoulders and back the other, now i'm only doin one muscle group a day, prob 4 exercises for each, but i'm still too fucked, haven't got enough energy by the end to keep intensity. so i reckon i'm goin your way, like 1 exercise per body part per day and just bust my balls fatiguing those muscles. much simpler, straightforward, compound exercises.

Originally posted by oneade O/T JerryTheJuicer. I'm quite interested in what your regime is like. 3 x a week and only so few exercises? What are is your training split like? How often do you change your exercises? Sorry for the questions 🙂 You seem to do things very differently to everyone else. This is a good thread: http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84322 For more detail you'll have to search through Jerry's posts. Forget what you read in the magazines about training. Also, try reading Doggcrapp's theories, I am following his rouitine now and the training is great. My strength is continually going up, and I've had a bit of a size spurt despite only "cruising" on 400mg/wk of test enanthate.