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running is not designed to resolve knee injuries! I know. topical DMSO w/nsaid of choice, although it is an individual thing, for me deca has always worked well for shoulder and knee injuries but it really depends on the nature of the injury.

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J Rheumatol Suppl. 1989 Aug;18:43-4. Related Articles, Links

Clinical aspects of the effect of NSAID on cartilage.

Calin A.

Royal National Hospital for Rheumatic Diseases, Bath, England.

Tons of nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs (NSAID) are used every year around the world. Their use is increasing and some patients have taken these drugs for at least 2 decades. Do NSAID damage the cartilage and cause rather than prevent further joint damage? The concept of "analgesic hip" or "indomethacin hip" cannot be substantiated. (Individuals who develop progressive joint damage may do so regardless of therapy rather than because of it.) Some NSAID have no effect on normal canine cartilage glycosaminoglycan synthesis while others suppress or stimulate the synthesis. Moreover, it seems that NSAID have no effect on proteoglycan catabolism. We know, however, that intraarticular steroids have only minimal effect on cartilage. If anything, they decrease the synovial fluid proteoglycans, perhaps by decreasing the synthesis of proteoglycans or by inhibiting degradation of cartilage. We do not know whether NSAID induce, mediate or perpetuate cartilage damage. And the effect on fibrillation, proteoglycan loss of osteophyte size is unknown. NSAID are good cyclooxygenase inhibitors; they may well affect monocyte/immune function but their anabolic or catabolic effect on cartilage remains unclear. We cannot talk meaningfully about chondroprotection or chondrotoxicity of NSAID. Intuitively, it seems reasonable to assume that antiinflammatory agents decrease inflammation and the mediators that are known to destroy cartilage. It is probable that cartilage benefits rather than suffers from current NSAID.

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Sichuan Da Xue Xue Bao Yi Xue Ban. 2004 Jul;35(4):508-11. Related Articles, Links

[Effects of nandrolone phenylpropionate on fibroblasts after injury in rats]

[Article in Chinese]

Cen Y, Liu N, Liu XX, Li K.

Department of Burn and Plastic Surgery, West China Hospital, Sichuan University, Chengdu 610041, China.

OBJECTIVE: To explore the effects of nandrolone phenylpropionate (NP) on fibroblasts after injury in rats. METHODS: Thirty-two Wistar rats with a deep second-degree scald injury and 20% total body surface area were randomly divided into two groups to receive either 5 mg/kg NP (NP group) or normal saline as placebo (control group) every other day. Integrated optical density (IOD) of androgen receptor (AR) and mRNA expression level of alpha1 (I) procollagen were measured by immunohistochemistry and quantitive fluorescent RT-PCR individually on the post-burn days 4, 7, 14 and 21. Fibroblasts were isolated from granulation tissue of a Wistar rat and were cultured in RPMI1640 with the addition of NP at different concentrations. Cell viability of fibroblasts was measured by MTT test, and the proliferative index, by flow cytometry (FCM). RESULTS: (1) Compared with the A value of the concurrent control group, higher A values were seen in NP groups containing different concentrations of NP, and significant difference of proliferative index was observed in NP group, P<0.05. (2) The expression of alpha1 (I) procollagen mRNA in NP groups was much higher than that in control groups. A significant difference between the two groups was noted on the post-burn days 7, 14 and 21, P<0.05, but no difference was seen on day 4. (3) The density of AR on fibroblasts in NP group was higher than that in control group at each time point. And a positive correlation between the expression of alpha1 (I) procollagen mRNA and the quantity of AR on fibroblasats was confirmed (r = 0.836). CONCLUSION: Nandrolone phenylpropionate could promote fibroblast replication, increase the mRNA level of alpha1 (I) procollagen and enhance the density of AR on fibroblasts.


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Clin Rheumatol. 1995 Sep;14 Suppl 3:32-9. Related Articles, Links

Nandrolone decanoate: pharmacological properties and therapeutic use in osteoporosis.

Geusens P.

Arthritis and Metabolic Bone Disease Research Unit, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Pellenberg, Belgium.

The therapeutic profile on bone of nandrolone decanoate is that of inhibitor of bone resorption with temporary increase in bone formation, followed by an absence of suppression of bone formation, indicating uncoupling of bone resorption and formation. This results is an increase in bone mineral content at the proximal and distal radius, and in some patients at the lumbar spine. Furthermore, nandrolone decanoate increases calcium balance and muscle mass, diminishes vertebral pain and increases the mobility of the spine. Virilization occurred in around 50% of the patients (mainly hoarseness and/or hirsutism), and 9% of the patients dropped out because of this reason. A dose of 50 mg every 3 to 4 weeks is indicated in the treatment of osteoporosis in women, especially when they have low muscle mass, associated debilitating disease, and in patients with corticosteroid induced osteoporosis. It should only be prescribed after the age of 65 to 75 years to minimize the occurrence of clinical adverse effects and to increase its tolerability, which is higher in this group. Although some effects are reported on fracture rate, insufficient prospective data are available.


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Posted by: jboldman
running is not designed to resolve knee injuries! I know. topical DMSO w/nsaid of choice, although it is an individual thing, for me deca has always worked well for shoulder and knee injuries but it really depends on the nature of the injury.

jb

How many mg of Deca for injury purposes? Or do you just use it for enhancing purporses letting it do the job by itself?

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minimum of 400mg/week, remember this is purely anecdotal. we all have stories to tell, mine is aobout a chronic shoulder injury that was finally cured only after a deca cycle.

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Posted by: jboldman
running is not designed to resolve knee injuries!
jb

Oh, trust me...if I didn't have to run, I wouldn't. LOL...it's not one of my favorite exercises.

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I have found my sex drive gets very low after a Tren cycle. Anyone experience this? If so, how do you remedy? No problems with him standing up and getting ready. Just kind of feel like I don't really want it too much. I don't think Viagra is the answer here.

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Have you already finished pct?

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fellas,
For a first time on Test Prop, what would be a good dose, amount and ed or eod? Just looking for some advice. Thanks.

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fellas,
For a first time on Test Prop, what would be a good dose, amount and ed or eod? Just looking for some advice. Thanks.

75mgs ED...should be painless and it's 525mgs a week (perfect dose for a first cycle).

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This is my first run on Tren. Running with test enanthate and intoducing winny in later weeks in placeof the Tren. I am only taking 75 mgs EOD and I can tell you that after only four injects I already see a very noticable difference. I AM however feeling a short temper and irritability over trivial things. Thus far I have been able to control it. I think I am going to try 75 mgs ED and see where that takes me. I will be sure to back off if I have to. I am a family man and cannot be kicking the dog.

To answer other people's questions about running Tren Alone I have read over and over that a stunt like that could give your dick about a 6 month siesta. Run test with it and I believe you should always run more test than any other drug you have stacked. Just my .02

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Posted by: Jimmykick
To answer other people's questions about running Tren alone I have read over and over that a stunt like that could give your dick about a 6 month siesta. Run test with it and I believe you should always run more test than any other drug you have stacked. Just my .02

That doesn't make sense. While it does prevent tren dick while on cycle, adding test won't magically reduce tren degree of supression.


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Re: Fina and winstrol depot stack

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Combining or stacking fina and win depot.......i am hearing and reading that this used to be the way to go for gigantic strength gains/muscle hardness and maybe still is. Anyone ever taken these in unison? I am curious to see the opinions/facts and thoughts. Thanks
HD

I'll add my 2cents.

I did not read this entire thread, forgive me if I am being redundant.

However, to answer the original question.

As far as this combo Win-V & Fina for strength gains, and hardness.

Not a good choice, Win-V was in the past prized for its ability to help the contest bodybuilder get lean & hard. Not really noted to help with strength though.

I used it back when I was sliced & diced doing shows.

The trurth is, Win-V as a diet aid, not so true.

As a muscle hardener, quite true, however!

It seems to do this by getting water out of the muscles, joints, etc.

Not a good condition when you are going for strength gains, using heavy weights. You can present yourself with some crazy injuries.

For strength training/power training, training for size, Fina & Test, or add a 5-10mg D-bol just before you train, or take a good Creatine, or a jolt of Coffee, anything else but Win-V.

Honestly, good 'ol, Test, Deca, and small amount of D-bol, superb size & strength gainers, strength will go thru the roof, doses, can be quite minimal.

But yes, Fina does make one strong.

Win-V, is good for the last bit just before a show, get hard, pose, etc.

My 2cents.


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HugeDeep
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So running tren alone makes the ol peter weak huh? Didnt know that. guess i will get some test as well to help.

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