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24/08/2019 2:02 pm  

When do you use whey protein? My nutritionist include it several times a day, including before bed time. Does it work or it works just before and right after a workout? And how much do you use?

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ready2explode
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24/08/2019 2:27 pm  

I use whey solo only pre-workout. After a workout, I hit up some honey and then eat a good meal.

I also mix whey into anything I can. For example, it's great in pudding or to make chocolate milk, etc. Other than that, I prefer to get my protein for other sources. I don't agree with pounding shakes all day long. Whole food is the whey to go.

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24/08/2019 2:44 pm  

Whole foods is always more tasty and is my preferred method of getting protein. However, when dieting, I use whey as a meal replacement because it provides me with quality protein without too much fats, and carbohydrates.

When I'm busy, it's also much more convenient than cooking up a meal.

I use whey protein one hour before a work out (now-a-day it's a long bike ride), one immediately after I get off the bike, and another approximately 1 hour before bed. I try to get 30 grams each time, including the skim milk. In between, I just eat quality low glycemic carbs and low fat cuts of meats (chicken, tuna, salmon, lean pork, and lean beef). Once a week, I'll treat myself to a 1/3 lb. burger with everything on it!

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24/08/2019 3:05 pm  

100% pure ion-exch or micro filtered Pre and post workout. Mixed with water. 30 grams per shake.
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24/08/2019 3:27 pm  

I use whey pre, during, and post workout. I consume about 125 grams total within about 3 hours.

Whey is included in the protein I have before bed, but mostly for taste. A key part of the pre-bed shake is caseinate protein, because it digests slowly, helping prevent catabolism during the long fast between bedtime and morning. I get about 50 grams of protein before bed.


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24/08/2019 3:57 pm  

trev, how much protein a day do you take in?

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24/08/2019 4:15 pm  

Trev, what brand of casein are you using? Even one I've tried tastes like absolute shit. I can't even attempt to stomach an entire glass.

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24/08/2019 4:37 pm  

I try to consume about 300 grams of protein per day.

All caseinate protein tastes like ass. Really chalky. I blend it with other proteins. Now at night I'm using a blend of roughtly equal amounts of caseinate, hemp protein, and whey protein from www.trueprotein.com. I mix it in skim milk and add a few tablespoons of muscle milk (chocolate flavor) for taste. Its pretty good especially when blended with a few ice cubes.


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24/08/2019 5:04 pm  

i find the muscle milk blend to be very good plus it is low cholesterol.

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24/08/2019 5:33 pm  

from what i understand your body can only absorb up to 29 grams of whey, specifically hydrolized... dnt ask for any literature to back this up, i dnt have any off hand but i believe it to be true, not to mention whey seems to be a sorry source for protein intake (hissing and boo's are expected)

as far as casein, you should really try micellar casein, its a much better product


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24/08/2019 5:53 pm  

whey has some other benefits like immune system boosting. if you consider whey just to be a source of protein and then energy calories, you can take as much as you like, your body will just burn or store the balance.

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24/08/2019 6:09 pm  
Posted by: jboldman
whey has some other benefits like immune system boosting. if you consider whey just to be a source of protein and then energy calories, you can take as much as you like, your body will just burn or store the balance.

jb

the half life of whey is quite short... i beleive that somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 hours 100% of the protein that was ingested has been completley used whether it be through nitrogen retention or the oxidation of anywhere from 40%- 60% of your total intake... aside from maybe immediately training i can see no use for it... sure your body can convert it to energy, the body is an amazing machine. i wouldn't doubt that given no other choice your body could learn to make energy from garbage. just because it can be done does not make it an effecient or justifiable method. furthermore i believe the high levels of urea created through oxidation can have noticeable negative effects that are often overlooked


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ready2explode
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24/08/2019 6:29 pm  

I believe the body converts protein to energy with 40% efficiency. I can't for the life of me find where I got that, though. Can anyone back me up or shut me up? LOL

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24/08/2019 6:46 pm  

i will have to check out the micellar. I am not advocating massive intakes of protein powder, i try to get the bulk of my nutrition from whole foods. I depend on whey for pre and post workout protein supplemets. I also use an alpha lactalbumin enhanced protein powder prior to my cardio as well as prior to my workouts.
If you are correct and the half-life( iam not sure this is how we should be describing this) is two hours, that means that two hours later hafl is left and fours hours later you still have 25% of the protein. If you are concerned about urea drink more water. Of course the isolates would be metabolized faster than the concentrate.

There is a wide variability of metabolic rates wrt protein powder. personally i have tried protein shakes before bed and they just made me fat.

it would be nice to see some studies here folks.

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pillsbury
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24/08/2019 7:08 pm  

the half life is short, though i dont have exact time... i will post some studies for you, i know how much i depend on them, trouble is where did i hide them??? i want to say the half life was something ridiculous like 40 min... this was of course on quantity absorbed, so if we were to assume for the sake of argument your body only absorbed 30g of the 50g ingested then within 2 hours you really don't have much left... i will post something soon, i hate not having written fact to support myself....

and not to sound like a bloody endorser, but i strongly suggest people research dorian yate's protein - pro peptide... for utilization, absorbtion, quality it can not be beat. im not sure why his blend seems to be one of a kind, but dorian (or dorian's chef) seems to have a real solid understanding of how different proteins, amino's and nurtrients work together both positively and negatively


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