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30/11/2018 10:46 am
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A lot of people talk about it like it's some sort of magic drug. The only way people really get effects from is with high dosage and by using with slin and stacking it with aas.
true, i havnt used HGH yet, but from what research i have done and the people in my field (track) i have talked to hGH is practicaly shit.
Especially for bodybuilding, i can see it been used with insulin and T3-t4 alongside proper AAS cycle to maximaze recovery from one session to another but nothing extreme.
i will try out of curiocity to include slin/hGH in my next cycle, see what it does recovery wise...
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Topic starter 30/11/2018 11:34 am
What do you think the AntiAging benefits are? Healthy skin and hair???
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30/11/2018 12:21 pm
i have used hgh several times and lr3 a couple. imo, hte lr3 has been a waste of time and money. the hgh this last time at 2 iu/day was great for dieting down, the weight seemed to melt off with good diet and exercise. it is expensive and most likely not worth it for most people. certainly for $600 you can get more out of 400grams of test!
jb
30/11/2018 1:20 pm
What do you think the AntiAging benefits are? Healthy skin and hair???
take this for what it's worth
whenever you read anything about hgh etc. and anti-aging you get this list of incredible benefits
i did two years of hard core research before i did my hgh, and i was doing it because i had major injuries, nerve damage, and there was a possibility it might help in this area, and believe me i tried about everything
anyways, bottom line is, hgh and anti-aging really has not had that many verified studies, the ones that have been done it is usually:
a. folks over 60
b. folks who have been SEDENTARY FOR A LONG TIME, ie, they do not and have not worked out
c. folks who eat like crap
e. folks who have problems because of a, b, c
now, here's the key, does hgh do what it purports to do, bring gh levels back to younger days, well, it sure does in older folks, no doubt
and when you give it to folks who haven't done squat about their health in 30 years, walla, booh-yah, miracles happen
now, of course, in the studies you have to remember these folks finally took some concrete actions, so probably as a group lot's of them started walking, eating better etc. , heck as a whole more people are at least trying to do these things
thus, all in all, for the last 20 years, which is how old the initial hgh and anti-aging trials are now, this same info of miraculous changes have been reported to the point it's now mythic proportions
does hgh work, yup, of the dozen or so reported benefits, most folks do see 2-3-4
all in all, nothing beats a good diet, training, and doing it for a long time
30/11/2018 2:09 pm
What do you use to reduce water retention ?
use lasix 10 mg at morning and lesss sodium.
dr frankenstein
30/11/2018 2:44 pm
Sure if you are using it for anti aging then great but as far as muscle gain and fat loss I think it's over rated. Many people are under the impression they can use it alone to gain muscle and then they are sadly disappointed.
I could not have said it better
For the hgh to give some fatburning or muscle properties, you have to inject 2x5 iu each day or even higher. Then the wellbeing is not present and you bloat like a pig
If i only knew better 8 months ago i would have spend my money on liposuction and some aas
Just another cyclist..
30/11/2018 3:29 pm
use lasix 10 mg at morning and lesss sodium.
I respectfull disagree with this. loop diuretics should not be taken lightly, not on a daily basis. Up your water to a minimum one gallon a day, decrease sodium, keep your diet clean, and add in a minute amount of aldactone (not too much because it is a androgen blocker).
Healthy skin and hair? Eh not really. I would say more level hormones. Since it coverts it can be helpful to those who have age realted hormone issues. It can also be helpful for muscle recovery, good for injury and helpful to the pituitary.
30/11/2018 4:13 pm
as usual i recommend hctz if you really need a diuretic. It can be used for an extended period of time with minimal sides.
jb
30/11/2018 4:59 pm
I respectfull disagree with this. loop diuretics should not be taken lightly, not on a daily basis. Up your water to a minimum one gallon a day, decrease sodium, keep your diet clean, and add in a minute amount of aldactone (not too much because it is a androgen blocker).Healthy skin and hair? Eh not really. I would say more level hormones. Since it coverts it can be helpful to those who have age realted hormone issues. It can also be helpful for muscle recovery, good for injury and helpful to the pituitary.
well, i respectfully disagree too, i said lasix for 1-2 month.
i take lasix ed at 20 mg for months,no problems yet.
i have water retention problems, no from estradiol.
aldosterone and renin, yes.
i take aldactone too 100 mg ed.
dr frankenstein
30/11/2018 5:50 pm
as usual i recommend hctz if you really need a diuretic. It can be used for an extended period of time with minimal sides.jb
When you stop hctz do you rebound (more blaoted)?
Does hctz become less effective with continued use?
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30/11/2018 6:32 pm
The eod dosing, as discussed in a previous thread, seems to give less bloating. At 2-4IUs per day (or eod), 90% of anecdotal reports are very positive in terms of fat loss. Studies in healthy young men show significant bf% changes as well. You need to use it for at least 8-10 weeks if you want results from it, though - and if you can't get a good price (we're talking max 5USD per IU), most people should probably spend their money elsewhere. Some low dose T3 will improve results.
For mass gains, you need to increase dosage to the 4-8IU range - higher dosages doesn't seem to increase gains, only side-effects - and combine it with insulin and AAS.
30/11/2018 7:18 pm
The eod dosing, as discussed in a previous thread, seems to give less bloating. At 2-4IUs per day (or eod), 90% of anecdotal reports are very positive in terms of fat loss. Studies in healthy young men show significant bf% changes as well. You need to use it for at least 8-10 weeks if you want results from it, though - and if you can't get a good price (we're talking max 5USD per IU), most people should probably spend their money elsewhere. Some low dose T3 will improve results..
Thats good news, At 2 IUs per day (or eod) will save some $ 🙂
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30/11/2018 7:55 pm
2-4 ius do nothing.
dr frankenstein
30/11/2018 8:34 pm
2-4 ius do nothing.
Nonsense.
30/11/2018 9:09 pm
2-4 ius do nothing.
I've even read about a 90 yr old who benifits on 1 iu, he's been doing it for 10 yrs.
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