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gym rat bro
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i got a question for you guys about some orals i just bought. I bought Dianabol(Naposim) and Methanoplex. Are these hard on the liver, and if not do you think it would be ok to take both of them together, or would it be better taking a cycle of dianabol first then methanoplex, or methanoplex then diana?

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Ok first off Methanoplex is dianabol. I think you need to do a bit more research before you start anything. Second, you don't want to run an oral only cylce with dianabol you're gonna destroy your liver. Third, add testosterone. Fourth, read this.... it was copy and pasted:

Substance: MethandienoneMethanoplex_10_(Methandienone)
Manufactured by: Axiolabs
Packaging: 100 tabs, each tab 10mg
Average Dose: Men 15-50 mg/day(M) Women 5-10 mg/day(F)
Half Life: 6-8 hours
Water Retention: Yes
Aromatization: Yes
DHT Conversion: No

Methanoplex 10 (Methandienone) is an orally applicable steroid with a great effect on protein metabolism. Methandienone iis a derivative of testosterone and has a very strong anabolic and androgenic properties. It has a great effect on protein metabolism and promotes protein synthesis. This effect manifests itself in by creating a positive nitrogen balance, supporting the builidup of protein and, thus, skeletal muscle mass. Methandienone also induces an improved sense of well-being.

Methandienone is a derivative of testosterone, exhibiting strong anabolic and moderate androgenic properties. This compound was first made available in 1960, and it quickly became the most favored and widely used anabolic steroid in all forms of athletics. This is likely due to the fact that it is both easy to use and extremely effective. In the U.S. Dianabol production had meteoric history, exploding for quite some time, then quickly dropping out of sight. Many were nervous in the late 80\'s when the last of the U.S. generics were removed from pharmacy shelves, the medical community finding no legitimate use for the drug anymore. But the fact that Dianabol has been off the U.S. market for over 10 years now has not cut its popularity. It remains the most commonly used black market oral steroid in the U.S. As long as there are countries manufacturing this steroid, it will probably remain so.

Similar to testosterone and Anadrol 50, Methandienone (other known as Dianabol) is a potent steroid, but also one which brings about noticeable side effects. For starters methandienone is quite estrogenic. Gynecomastia is often a concern during treatment, and may present itself quite early into a cycle (particularly when higher doses are used). At the same time water retention can become a pronounced problem, causing a notable loss of muscle definition as both subcutaneous water and fat build. Sensitive individuals may therefore want to keep the estrogen under control with the addition of an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex and/or Proviron. The stronger drugs Arimiplex, Femara, or Aromasin (antiaromatase) would be a better choice if available.

In addition, androgenic side effects are common with this substance, and may include bouts of oily skin, acne and body/facial hair growth. Aggression may also be increased with a potent steroid such as this, so it would be wise not to let your disposition change for the worse during a cycle. With Dianabol there is also the possibility of aggravating a male pattern baldness condition. Sensitive individuals may therefore wish to avoid this drug and opt for a milder anabolic such as Deca-Durabolin. While Methanoplex 10(Methandienone)does convert to a more potent steroid via interaction with the 5-alpha reductase anzyme (the same enzyme responsible for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone), it has extremely little affinity to do so in the human body\'s. The androgenic metabolite 5alpha dihydromethandrostenolone is therefore produced only in trace amounts at best. Therefore the use of Proscar/Propecia would serve no real purpose.

Being moderately androgenic, Methandienone is really only a popular steroid with men. When used by women, strong virilization symptoms are of course a possible result. Some do however experiment with it, and find low doses (5mg) of this steroid extremely powerful for new muscle growth. Whenever taken, Methanoplex 10(Methandienone) will produce exceptional mass and strength gains. It\'s effectiveness is often compared to other strong steroids like testosterone and Anadrol 50, and it is likewise a popular choice for bulking purposes. A daily dosage of 20-40mg is enough to give almost anybody dramatic results. Some do venture much higher in dosage, but this practice usually leads to a more profound incidence of side effects. It additionally combines well with a number of other steroids. It is noted to mix particularly well with the mild anabolic Deca-Durabolin. Together one can expect an exceptional muscle and strength gains, with side effects not much worse than one would expect from Methanoplex 10(Methandienone) alone. For all out mass, a long acting testosterone ester like enanthate can be used. With the similarly high estrogenic/androgenic properties of this androgen, side effects may be extreme with such a combination however. Gains would be great as well, which usually makes such an endeavor worthwhile to the user. As discussed earlier, ancillary drugs can be added to reduce the side effects associated with this kind of cycle.

In order to withstand oral administration, this compound is c17 alpha alkylated. We know that this alteration protects the drug from being deactivation by the liver (allowing nearly all of the drug entry into the bloodstream), however it can also be toxic to this organ. Prolonged exposure to c17 alpha alkylated substances can result in actual damage, possibly even the development of certain kinds of cancer. To be safe one might want to visit the doctor a couple of times during each cycle to keep an eye on their liver enzyme values. Cycles should also be kept short, usually less than 8 weeks long to avoid doing any noticeable damage. Jaundice (bile duct obstruction) is usually the first visible sign of liver trouble, and should be looked out for. This condition produces an unusual yellowing of the skin, as the body has trouble processing bilirubin. In addition to the skin, the whites of the eyes may also yellow, a clear indicator of trouble. Should this occur the drug should be discontinued immediately and a doctor visited. This is usually a point where further, permanent damage can be avoided.

It is also interesting to note that methandienone is structurally identical to boldenone (EQ), except that it contains the added c17 alpha alkyl group discussed above. This fact makes clear the impact of altering a steroid in such a way, as these two compounds appear to act very differently in the body. The main dissimilarity seems to lie in the tendency for estrogenic side effects, which seems to be much more pronounced with Methanoplex 10(Methandienone). Equipoise is known to be quite mild in this way, and users therefore commonly take this drug without any need of an anti-estrogen. Dianabol is much more estrogenic not because it is more easily aromatized, as in fact the 17 alpha methyl group and c1-2 double bond both slow the process of aromatization. The problem is that methanmdienone converts to l7alpha methylestradiol, a more biologically active form of estrogen than regular estradiol. But Dianabol also appears to be much more potent in terms of muscle mass compared to boldenone, supporting the notion that estrogen does play an important role in anabolism. In fact boldenone and methandienone differ so much in their potencies as anabolics that the two are rarely though of as related. As a result, the use of Methanoplex 10(Methandienone) is typically restricted to bulking phases of training while Equipoise is considered an excellent cutting or lean-mass building steroid.

The half-life of Methanoplex 10(Methandienone) is only about 3 to 4 hours, a relatively short time. This means that a single daily dosage schedule will produce a varying blood level, with ups and downs throughout the day. The user likewise has a choice, to either split up the tablets during the day or to take them all at one time. The usual recommendation has been to divide them and try to regulate the concentration in your blood. This however, will produce a lower peak blood level than if the tablets were taken all at once, so there may be a trade off with this option. The steroid researcher Bill Roberts also points out that a single-episode dosing schedule should have a less dramatic impact on the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis, as there is a sufficient period each day where steroid hormone levels are not extremely exaggerated. I tend to doubt hormonal stability can be maintained during such a cycle however, but do notice that anecdotal evidence often still supports single daily doses to be better for overall results. Perhaps this is the better option. Since we know the blood concentration will peak about 1.5 to 3 hours after administration, we may further wonder the best time to take our tablets. It seems logical that taking the pills earlier in the day, preferably some time before training, would be optimal. This would allow a considerable number of daytime hours for an androgen rich metabolism to heighten the uptake of nutrients, especially the critical hours following training.

Methanoplex_50_(Methandienone)Methanoplex 10(Methandienone)is an anabolic steroid originally developed by John Ziegler and released in the US in 1956 by Ciba. It was used as an aid to muscle growth by bodybuilders until its ban by the FDA under the Controlled Substances Act. Despite this, methandrostenolone continues to be produced in countries such as Mexico under the trade name Reforvit-b, and is being manufactured in Russia, as well as Thailand, and subsequently is still seen on the United States black market. Production in most of Western Europe and the United States has ceased.

Several successful athletes and professional bodybuilders have come forward and admitted long-term methandrostenolone use before the drug was banned, including Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sergio Oliva.Despite its illegality many athletes continue to use the drug for the muscle mass gains it can cause.

Methandrostenolone does not react strongly with the androgen receptor, instead relying on activity not mediated by the receptor for its effects. These include dramatic increases in protein synthesis, glycogenolysis, and muscle strength over a short space of time. However, due to its mode of action, it decreases the rate of cell respiration and decreases production of red blood cells. In high doses (30 mg or more per day), side effects such as gynaecomastia, high blood pressure, acne and male pattern baldness may begin to occur. The drug causes severe masculinising effects in women even at low doses. In addition, it is metabolized into estradiol by aromatase. This means that without the administration of aromatase inhibitors such as Anastrozole or Aminoglutethimide, estrogenic effects will appear over time in men. Many users will combat the estrogenic side effects with Nolvadex or Clomid. In addition, as with other 17α-alkylated steroids, the use of methandrostenolone over extended periods of time can result in liver damage without appropriate care.

In the early 1960s, doctors commonly prescribed a tablet per day for women as a tonic. This use was quickly discontinued upon discovery of the heavily masculinising effects of methandrostenolone. However, despite the lack of any known therapeutic applications, the drug remained legal until the early 1990s. The ban by the FDA was not completely successful in eliminating its use by bodybuilders, and methandrostenolone continues to be used illegally to this day, typically being stacked (combined) with drugs that react strongly with the androgen receptor, such as Oxandrolone, in order to increase the overall effectiveness of steroid use.

The 17α-methylation of the steroid does allow it to pass through the liver without being broken down (hence causing the aforementioned damage to the liver) allowing it to be taken orally. It also has the effect of decreasing the steroid's affinity for sex hormone binding globulin, a protein that de-activates steroid molecules and prevents them from further reactions with the body. As a result, methandrostenolone is significantly more active than an equivalent quantity of testosterone, resulting in rapid growth of muscle tissue. However, the concomitant elevation in estrogen levels - a result of the aromatization of methandrostenolone - results in significant water retention. This gives the appearance of great gains in mass and strength, which prove to be temporary once the steroid is discontinued and water weight drops. Because of this, it is often used by bodybuilders only at the start of a "steroid cycle", to facilitate rapid strength increases and the appearance of great size, while compounds such as testosterone or nandrolone with long acting esters build up in the body to an appreciable amount capable of supporting anabolic function on their own.

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This sounds like your first cycle... do more research bro but if you are intent on getting started I wouldn't run the dbol any longer than 4 weeks.

Dbol week 1-4 @ 25mg/day
Testosterone E weeks 1 - 10 @ 500mg/week (2 shots per week to keep your levels somewhat stable)

Also, check Visions post on PCT. It's very informative and the way to go IMO.


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Dbol only cycle would not be advised. Add test and no longer then 4-6 weeks. Yes, they do stress your liver and can bring up your BP, use precautions on these sides...

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You can do short oral only cycles so long as you know how to do them. You do need to do a lot of research first though because Methanoplex and Napoism are both Dianabol, so there's no point in using them both at the same time.

Also, Dianabol is a shitty oral only cycle because the Dbol bloats you up and makes you look bigger and feel really strong, then when the water is gone you're left with much smaller gains. That's the thing, you won't lose all of your gains after a Dbol only cycle, but you will lose all of the water weight and the strength you had while you were on, which is true with all steroids that bulk you up really fast. A 4-6 week Dianabol only cycle isn't useless like a lot of people will tell you, it's just disapointing if you're not expecting the crash when you stop the cycle. You can gain and keep a lot of muscle on an oral only cycle. Turinabol and Anavar are the best for oral only cycles. Dianabol can also be really hard on the hairline for some people, like me for example.

Weeks 1-5: 30mg Dbol (everyday first thing in the morning with grapefruit juice)
Weeks 1-8: 25mg Exemestane (everyday)
Weeks 1-8: 3 tabs of LiverCare by Himalaya (every night before bed)
Weeks 6-8: 100mg Clomid (everyday, starting the day after the last dose of Dbol)

Here's the best first cycle that will make you gain and keep way more muscle than a Dianabol only cycle. It will also help increase your endurance and maybe even lose a little fat too:

Weeks 1-10: 400mg Testosterone Cypionate (200mg on Monday and Thursday)
Weeks 1-12: 1000iu HCG (500iu on Monday and Thursday)

Weeks 12-15: 100mg Clomid (everyday)
Weeks 12-18: 25mg Exemestane (everyday)


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gym rat bro
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i really appreciate you guys inputs. thanks mucho for taking it further helping me, explaining things more clearly, appreciate it. i noticed you take livercare, where can i get some..im very worried after problems with high liver enzymes when i used to take accutane, ever since then im suspicious, if i do this cycle i want some sort of liver care..although i have milk thistle, im sure that stuff u take liver care is much better..

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gym rat bro
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Yeah, this would actually be my first cycle ever, i mean ive used like 500mg of test enanthate, and synovex before for like 2 weeks, not really long enough to do anything, but i just wanted to let u know where i stand.
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Like has been said many times before here, Test does things that you need that no other modified steroid can do for you. Your libido will stay good, mood good, on and on...


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Posted by: gym rat bro
i got a question for you guys about some orals i just bought. I bought Dianabol (Naposim) and Methanoplex. Are these hard on the liver, and if not do you think it would be ok to take both of them together, or would it be better taking a cycleof dianabol first then methanoplex, or methanoplex then diana?

thanks

YOU SHOULD'T DO ANYTHING UNTILL YOU KNOW WHAT'S WHAT BRO.
JUST EAT MORE


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JJ007
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YOU SHOULD'T DO ANYTHING UNTILL YOU KNOW WHAT'S WHAT BRO.
JUST EAT MORE

i'm bumpin' my boy jim here...

you (poster) really sound like you're jumping the gun here...if you didn't know what you were buying then that says to me you have no business putting it in your body...

how bout we start here:

-What are your stats?(height, weight, bf%)
-What are your goals?(bodybuilding, drop weight, gain weight, etc.)
-what is your diet right now?

answer these questions and you'll have some peeps helping you get your shit together in no time!


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Gym Rat, I didn't listen to all of the hype about oral only cycles being a bad idea and probably did about 5 cycle's of oral's before I finally got up the nerve to start injecting. I'm about 8 weeks into a Test/Deca cycle and I can't say how right everyone was. My gains are so much better this time and I feel 100 times better than I ever have. I know it seems like a big deal at first but it is so worth it.

Do some research and read some of the threads here, I've found that there are tons of guys here who will help you out for your first cycle. Learn about diet, training, the proper first cycle, AI and PCT and you should be fine.

It took me a long time to man up and start sticking myself (actually my wife does most of my injections for me) but I was able to make this decision in large part because of the support I have found here.

"Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated."
1350mg Sustanon
900mg Deca
400mg NPP
400mg Suspension
150mg Anadrol
5'9" 224lbs


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