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need2getbigger
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06/04/2020 9:17 pm  

My step mother's sister's son is about 400 pounds. I'm not quite sure if it's genetic, but he'll eat a lot of food from what I'm told. He has no self esteem, and probably has never taken off his shirt or been to the beach or with a woman. This young man is in his late 20's. He needs some help, and I might be able to help this poor guy...

What I was wondering is; suggestions of dieting, meals per day, content, and supps coming from such a large unhealthy weight. He is probably not down for AAS, but I could get him to the gym nights.

Thanks for the suggestions-no bs please


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jboldman
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06/04/2020 9:44 pm  

strange as it may seem, the "biggest loser" show has helped more people htan most diets. i believe there is a website where if he is interested and motivated he can see other overweight folks and their stories and what sorts of diets and nutritional tips have worked. at 400lbs he should be under a doctors supervision as well.

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06/04/2020 10:02 pm  

just to back up what JB has said. I do psych evals for those seeking bariatric surgery. This group of people are not WEAK people. They are morbidly obese and need help for this medical condition. Many or most have tried the commerically available methods: Weight Watchers, OA, TOPS, Body for Life, Nutrisystems, Optifast, etc. They have had trainers, boot camps, etc. Please believe me no one, except for Sumo wrestlers perhaps, wills this upon themselves.

The next step is a "medically supervised" diet. This is usually an eating plan designed by a registered dietitian under physican orders and review.

Beyond this is there is surgery: gastric bypass or lapband. I strongly suggest the latter as it is reversible.

If your relative is willing take your help on the exercise component, great. The nutrition is the more significant piece. Provide encouragement to get a nutritional consult with a dietitian who works in the bariatric area.

And we'll collect the moments one by one. I guess that's how the future's done. Feist, "Mushaboom", 2005


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Tazmaniac
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06/04/2020 10:27 pm  

I wrote up a long post to this but somehow it got deleted when I tried copying it just to have it incase my post timed out when submitting it. Ehhhh.

Dieting: Drink 1 to 1.5 gallons of water a day. Stop any caloric intake via drinks. No soda. No milk. Crystal light is ok if he can't stand that much water but he should eventually move to water.

Follow a cyclical keto diet. I'm betting he's addicted to processed carbs or high GI carbs like potatoes, sugars, etc. When you eat these things, there are certain people that have their insulin hormone thrown all out of whack and then they blow up with fat, water retention, and so forth. Following a cyclical keto diet will put his insulin hormone in check and not make him as hungry. On the days where he can eat whatever he wants for a meal, it will help the leptin in his body help his thyroid keep moving so that the body is tricked to continue to do fat burning.

As JB said, he needs to have the motivation more than anything. I wish my post would've have been deleted. I spent about 30 minutes writing it up and I have to head out shortly. Motivation will drive him to do this. I know because I've done it before. Long story short, I was 6'3" 330 pounds in 10th grade and blew my knee out playing football. Over the next two years, from being inactive and being heavy to begin with, I ballooned up to 500+ pounds even though I really didn't look it. I hid the weight pretty well from being big to begin with. After finding what my motivation was to lose the weight (which was a combination of things), I dropped to 217 pounds. I was doing AAS here and there while losing all that weight but I didn't start AAS until I was around 270 pounds. While at 217, I went on a bulking cycle and then went back up to 275 but with a shitload of muscle. Then I dropped 20 pounds of fat over a period of time and have kept 255 at 7%-9% over a decade.

Trust me. He can do it. I'm not the only one that has done this either.

He needs to get motivated, drink a ton of water, keep track of his weight daily, and follow a cyclical keto diet. The weight will start coming off easy. I was dropping 40 pounds a month the first few months.

He can do this. Keep with him. You'll feel rewarded after he does it

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jboldman
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06/04/2020 10:44 pm  

i always knew you were a miracle man taz!

jb


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liftsiron
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06/04/2020 11:14 pm  

Re: Helping with one man's struggle (big help needed)

Posted by: need2getbigger
My step mother's sister's son is about 400 pounds. I'm not quite sure if it's genetic, but he'll eat a lot of food from what I'm told. He has no self esteem, and probably has never taken off his shirt or been to the beach or with a woman. This young man is in his late 20's. He needs some help, and I might be able to help this poor guy...

What I was wondering is; suggestions of dieting, meals per day, content, and supps coming from such a large unhealthy weight. He is probably not down for AAS, but I could get him to the gym nights.

Thanks for the suggestions-no bs please

I honestly believe that the help he needs is mental, I would bet that he has some underlying psychological disorder(s) that need addressing then physical training and nutrition can be used as part of his therapy.
He probably suffers from depression at least and is trying to use food as an escape device, but food has become a double edged sword, the more he eats the fatter he gets, the more depressed he becomes, which leads to greater consumption of carbs for a short burst of serotonin which for a short time makes him feel better.

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Tazmaniac
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06/04/2020 11:37 pm  
Posted by: jboldman
i always knew you were a miracle man taz!

jb

Not as much a miracle man as you and others that have come across my path on the boards along the way. RIP Nandi.

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Tazmaniac
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07/04/2020 12:00 am  

Re: Re: Helping with one man's struggle (big help needed)

Posted by: liftsiron
I honestly believe that the help he needs is mental, I would bet that he has some underlying psychological disorder(s) that need addressing then physical training and nutrition can be used as part of his therapy.
He probably suffers from depression at least and is trying to use food as an escape device, but food has become a double edged sword, the more he eats the fatter he gets, the more depressed he becomes, which leads to greater consumption of carbs for a short burst of serotonin which for a short time makes him feel better.

This could very well be true and it is hard to determine something like this without us knowing or hearing what N2GB's feedback is on it.

I personally know a medical doctor that specializes in this kind of stuff and he used to be a biochemist scientist before becoming a MD. His research and ideology pretty much checks out for everything we've known for sometime regarding fat loss and the chemical reactions needed for fat loss. He also has specialized in issues regarding people dealing obesity and genetics. I was surprised to learn how much obesity and fat regulation has to do with genetics. His research shows that obesity is a genetic biochemical brain disorder, which also affects depression and appetite control as well.

If it's a chemical issue, it can be regulated. The issue of depression depends on if he's depressed, how strong the depression is, and what is causing it.

What you are saying is the classic case that most obese people deal with. It's a vicious cycle.

Either way, he can be helped.

Disclaimer:
Information that Tazmaniac presents is totally fictitious in nature and is presented for role playing purposes only. The opinions presented do not encourage the use of illegal substances nor take the place of professional medical advice.

Death gotta be easy, cause life is hard...it'll leave you physically, mentally, and emotionally scarred~50 Cent


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gramps
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13/04/2020 11:12 am  

How your results right now?


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