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jboldman
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31/05/2019 6:41 pm  

as you say, it is cheap and worth a try.

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31/05/2019 7:09 pm  

About a year ago i used basic over the counter diuretics and had great results. Bump to JB, worth the few bucks!

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31/05/2019 7:29 pm  

I may have to try out some HCTZ myself.

Any suggestions on where to get it?


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31/05/2019 7:53 pm  

DIET. TRUE DIET.

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Clarityandfocus
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31/05/2019 8:25 pm  
Posted by: DocJ
Yes, I have tried a low as 1 amp / 10 days and still experienced the problem. Like I said above it doesn't appear to be as much of a problem if I limit it to about 200mg/week but it still happens. As an aside I also appear to experience abdominal distention while on even low doses of test. I could be sporting a low bf% and still have a "tummy" while on test...on anything else it would be completely flat.

I completely understand.

Most don't realize that Testosterone definitely does promote and cause male fat pattern distribution. I never see this mentioned on the boards. GH and IGF-1 always get the blame for distended bellies. Well, that may be true for internal organ growth (hypertrophy, plasia). However, moderate to high or long term dose testosterone is the culprit for the deposition of intra- abdominal fat within the viscera. It presses against the liver, pancreas, gut, etc... even inhibiting breathing by crowding the lungs in some cases. It promotes a "fatty" liver. Clean dieting reduces this type of fat. Clean diet plus GH eats away at it also, even likely in the liver. However, the presence of supraphysiological doses of test in the bloodstream ensure that this trend or tendency will continue, albeit controllable to a certain degree in each individual case.

Just my .02.

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31/05/2019 8:43 pm  
Posted by: Clarityandfocus
I completely understand.

Most don't realize that testosterone definitely does promote and cause male fat pattern distribution.
Clarity

Are you referring to VAT fat?


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31/05/2019 9:02 pm  
Posted by: Clarityandfocus
I completely understand.

Most don't realize that testosterone definitely does promote and cause male fat pattern distribution. I never see this mentioned on the boards. GH and IGF-1 always get the blame for distended bellies. Well, that may be true for internal organ growth (hypertrophy, plasia). However, moderate to high or long term dose testosterone is the culprit for the deposition of intra- abdominal fat within the viscera. It presses against the liver, pancreas, gut, etc... even inhibiting breathing by crowding the lungs in some cases. It promotes a "fatty" liver. Clean dieting reduces this type of fat. Clean diet plus GH eats away at it also, even likely in the liver. However, the presence of supraphysiological doses of test in the bloodstream ensure that this trend or tendency will continue, albeit controllable to a certain degree in each individual case.

Just my .02.

Clarity

I'm not sure about it, I think we need more input on that, but in the meantime some food for thought:

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Woodhouse LJ, Gupta N, Bhasin M, Singh AB, Ross R, Phillips J, Bhasin S. Dose-dependent effects of testosterone on regional adipose tissue distribution in healthy young men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004;89(2):718-26.

ABSTRACT

Testosterone supplementation reduces total body adipose tissue (AT), but we do not know whether the effects are uniformly distributed throughout the body or are region specific, or whether they are dose related. We determined the effects of graded doses of testosterone on regional AT distribution in 54 healthy men (18-35 yr) in a 20-wk, randomized, double-blind study of combined treatment with GnRH agonist plus one of five doses (25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg/wk) of Testosterone Enanthate (TE). Total body, appendicular, and trunk AT and lean body mass were measured by dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry, and sc, intermuscular, and intraabdominal AT of the thigh and abdomen were measured by magnetic resonance imaging. Treatment regimens resulted in serum nadir testosterone concentrations ranging from subphysiological to supraphysiological levels. Dose-dependent changes in AT mass were negatively correlated with TE dose at all sites and were equally distributed between the trunk and appendices. The lowest dose was associated with gains in sc, intermuscular, and intraabdominal AT, with the greatest percent increase occurring in the sc stores. At the three highest TE doses, thigh intermuscular AT volume was significantly reduced, with a greater percent loss in intermuscular than sc depots, whereas intraabdominal AT stores remained unchanged. In conclusion, changes in testosterone concentrations in young men are associated with dose-dependent and region-specific changes in AT and lean body mass in the appendices and trunk. Lowering testosterone concentrations below baseline increases sc and deep AT stores in the appendices and abdomen, with a greater percent increase in sc depots. Conversely, elevating testosterone concentrations above baseline induces a greater loss of AT from the smaller, deeper intermuscular stores of the thigh.

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31/05/2019 9:29 pm  
Posted by: DocJ
Are you referring to VAT fat?

VAT?

Is that "visceral adipose tissue? If so, then yes.

Clarity


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macro
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01/06/2019 11:55 am  

what AI's have you used?


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Clarityandfocus
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01/06/2019 12:18 pm  
Posted by: macro
what AI's have you used?

Me? Well, I've used letrozole and it affected me emotionally in a horrible way. I used very tiny dosages since it is so efficient. However, the estrogen end of things, I believe, fosters female fat pattern distribution (hips and thighs).

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01/06/2019 12:46 pm  
Posted by: macro
what AI's have you used?

I've used them all. The same problem would happen though...I would hold less water overall but the rate of fatloss especially around my midsection was always dramatically slower while on test.


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01/06/2019 1:05 pm  
Posted by: DocJ
I've used them all. The same problem would happen though...I would hold less water overall but the rate of fatloss especially around my midsection was always dramatically slower while on test.

its an insulin sensitivity issue... though agree that the reduction in sensitivity is due to androgenic influence. reversible with various insulin sensitizing agents


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01/06/2019 1:27 pm  
Posted by: macro
its an insulin sensitivity issue... though agree that the reduction in sensitivity is due to androgenic influence. reversible with various insulin sensitizing agents

A glucose dispersal agent would be indicated then? If so, what do you recommend?


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01/06/2019 1:46 pm  

Ok, here's an update on my test "issues."
Recently, I did a cycle with Test Prop 200mg/day. I used HCTZ for the first time with it and I can honestly say it noticeably helped, however, I was still experiencing abdominal bloat, until.......
I added 40mg of Nolvadex and BAM! my abdominal bloating went down quickly. I've never needed to take nolva during a cycle before so my question is: why did this work? I can't think of any mechanism that would've caused this, I was also on aromasin 25mg EOD the whole time which I've used before with test cycles.


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01/06/2019 2:10 pm  
Posted by: DocJ
Ok, here's an update on my test "issues."
Recently, I did a cycle with test prop 200mg/day. I used HCTZ for the first time with it and I can honestly say it noticeably helped, however, I was still experiencing abdominal bloat, until.......
I added 40mg of http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=tamoxifen&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.htm l" target="_blank" rel="noopener">nolvadex and BAM! my abdominal bloating went down quickly. I've never needed to take nolva during a cycle before so my question is: why did this work? I can't think of any mechanism that would've caused this, I was also on aromasin 25mg EOD the whole time which I've used before with test cycles.

Do you think that Nolva helped in some fat loss as well?

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