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29/05/2019 6:52 pm  

I did it, I ordered 2 vials of test enanthate (250mg a vial). I already have clomid (that much I did plan at least).

This is not the way to do it, no planning and all, but I have tried to avoid pins, and today marks me sort of "jumping in the deep end of the pool".

**** So, bro's, if at the time I get the test, I am 2.5 weeks into the cycle (10mg Tbol, 40mg winny) - and I've never done test - and I'm looking for a mild cycle, would you recommend 100mg or the full 250? If I do 100 can I save the remaining 150 for a couple weeks - or is that a no-no. BTW, I had enough sense to buy more then one needle....

I probably won't see all that much gain, as I'm doing it once, then taking two weeks off.

The next cycle, I will do test twice along with my orals.

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29/05/2019 7:19 pm  

Clarification Please:

Are these 10 ml vials or one ml vials?

Your age?

You're in the endurance forum and you live near a velodrome so I'm guessing you're a cyclist, correct?

Why are you doing it once and taking two weeks off?

As long as your ready to use needles, you may want to have some HCG on hand too (more on this later).

If you provide the details above, you'll get more specific answers from posters/members.

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29/05/2019 7:42 pm  

IMO anything under 250mgs/wk is just mild TRT.

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29/05/2019 8:08 pm  

Age: 37
Weight: 170 Height: 5'10
Track/Criteriums focus
Not Professional - Cat 3 rider.
Looking for improved RBC, on bike power, and speedier recovery....mass building cycle is not until October/November.....

I'm basing the dosage mainly on reading Miggy's advice on this board....

I put in alot of miles on the bike, and I am not looking to gain mass.

I was going to do the 4 wks on, 4 wks off cycling (actually should be 2 weeks on 4 off according to what I read). This is mostly so that I have some leeway in timing my cycles to coincide with my key races. I was going to do it with no injectibles, but as the more I think about it the more I realize that my objections are just rationalizations to avoid pins.

So, at the last second I decided to add in test e. The low dosages are because its April and the season is fast upon me and I don't wanna be bloated and cramped. So the test is really just supplementing the winny.

Some quotes from Miggy....

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As a cyclist, I've used oil based winny with good results..I ran it with test E as I always do..I had no sides, ie; joint pain.. at all..The only thing I had to explain was the extreme vascularity after rides/races..Endurance athletes have to keep AS use simple as you can shut down performance by overdoing/using certain AS..I've been there several times..I always say start with low dose Test E, 100-200mg/week and see how your body reacts and adjust accordingly..The sides will be minimal if none at all, and you should see a nice performance gain..Water, weight gain, shut down, blah.. blah..blah..It's all there but easily rectifiable..Since your in a building stage, this would be a good time to experience it..Make sure to search the board for proper PCT..Welcome to CEM..

EQ does not take 10 wks to "kick in"..Skip the nolva unless absolutely needed..If your riding your bike in the heat, water shouldn't be a problem at the 150mg level..Don't mess with your estro levels as its needed for endurance..I use HCG at the end for 3-4 weeks..I've never felt it was needed during the cycle..The one problem I have with ending a cycle is I gain water weight from the HCG WITHOUT Nolva but when I use the Nolva, my riding goes to hell..go figure..This is usually at the 3-4 week mark..So timing the off-cycle with racing/training can be tricky..

Its not low..It'll raise your HCT nicely..I run 125mg/wk, eat the right things, supplements, etc;..My HCT is near 50%..I have zero sides, take no anti-e's (bad for endurance) and I'm shredded with no water..To get my HCT above 50%, I'll add in 200mg EQ/wk..3 days before a race, I might add in another 200mg EQ, but thats it..I use only HCG for PCT..I don't need nolva or Clomid at these dosages..Arimidex is a waste of money for me as I lose 4lbs of water weight on my training rides..The simpler the better..You can't do 4 hr+ rides with a ton of gear in you..You gotta finesse this stuff..


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29/05/2019 8:29 pm  
Posted by: Wheelies
Your age?

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Its Norma brand Test Enan. 1xvial(250mg/ml). I still having sent my WesternUnion payment to AnonymousSlavakialand....so I can always scrap my cycle plan and make it longer...but I'm real leary about increasing the dossages...

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You're in the endurance forum and you live near a velodrome so I'm guessing you're a cyclist, correct?

Yup, cat 3, do primarily track and crits.

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Why are you doing it once and taking two weeks off?

See other response on this thread, primarily I was going to do 4x4 cycles with winny only.....but at last minute decided to take the plunge and do it right.....but the test won't come till week 3 of my first 4wkr (I'm currently at the end of week 1).....that was my logic.....

****But, really newb question: can I save test E. not injected for use later? I'd hate to be wasting 100mg of perfectly good test everytime I inject.

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As long as your ready to use needles, you may want to have some hcg on hand too (more on this later).

Even at this low level, and all the stuff Miggy says about estrogen....actually, scratch that, your right, if I even hint of getting bitch tits I wanna be able to deal with it.....

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If you provide the details above, you'll get more specific answers from posters/members.

Cool, it would be much appreciated.....remember, the season is pretty much started so I dont wanna build mass as much as strength and endurance.....


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29/05/2019 8:45 pm  

I find it helpful to have a plan when "jumping in" to these things. Work out a little schedule for yourself, example:

wk 1-3, 10mgTBOL 40mg Winny ED
wk 4-7, 10mgTBOL 40mg Winny ED, 125mg Test E/wk

This way you have a direction for your cycle. Hope this helps. After the test you will need some time off, the ester sticks around for a while. Do a search for ester, this will help you understand why time off is as important as time on.

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29/05/2019 9:07 pm  
Posted by: liftsiron
IMO anything under 250mgs/wk is just mild TRT.

Years ago, when I was dabbling in bodybuilding, I did the mega dosing thing with Test E., Deca, and D-bol and totally understand where you're coming from (I have a shortage of hair to prove it).

Now that I'm dabbling in the endurance sport of cycling I'm finding that there's a very fine line between too little and too much Testosterone. Too much will negatively affect my performance because of weight gain. Miggy and Chocolate have thoroughly documented this in their previous posts.

Having said that, I find that my middle ground is approximately 150-175 mg/weeek of Test E. My endurance and recovery was much better. My body weight stayed the same but with a leaner composition after six weeks.

I just started a new cycle (Test E. and EQ) after seven weeks off and will post the details at a later time.

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30/05/2019 7:11 am  

If you haven't bought the Test E. yet, you may want to reconsider and buy the 10 ml vials.

Being that you're only at the end of week one with a light oral dose, my suggestion would be to scrap that cycle and develop a new plan once you've got the stuff to do it right.

Since you're qouting Miggy you probably know that he has suggested a Testosterone ONLY cycle for a FIRST cycle and I totally concur.

Here's my suggestion:

1. Get the 10 ml vials, not the 1 ml ampules.
2. Have your PCT on hand (HCG, clomid/Nolvadex)
3. Do a 6 weeks cycle of Test E. ALONE (150-200mg/wk)
4. Begin pct at the end of the fifth week

It's gonna be tough to get off during the heat of the racing season, but I think it's the right thing to do being it's your first. Others may have other suggestions though.

Good Luck.

W.

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Its Norma brand Test Enan. 1xvial(250mg/ml). I still having sent my WesternUnion payment to AnonymousSlavakialand....so I can always scrap my cycle plan and make it longer...but I'm real leary about increasing the dossages...

Yup, cat 3, do primarily track and crits.

See other response on this thread, primarily I was going to do 4x4 cycles with winny only.....but at last minute decided to take the plunge and do it right.....but the test won't come till week 3 of my first 4wkr (I'm currently at the end of week 1).....that was my logic.....

****But, really newb question: can I save test E. not injected for use later? I'd hate to be wasting 100mg of perfectly good test everytime I inject.

Even at this low level, and all the stuff Miggy says about estrogen....actually, scratch that, your right, if I even hint of getting bitch tits I wanna be able to deal with it.....

Cool, it would be much appreciated.....remember, the season is pretty much started so I dont wanna build mass as much as strength and endurance.....

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30/05/2019 7:31 am  
Posted by: Wheelies
Having said that, I find that my middle ground is approximately 150-175 mg/weeek of Test E. My endurance and recovery was much better. My body weight stayed the same but with a leaner composition after six weeks. Wheelies

How many weeks do you stay on with 150-175 mg/weeek of Test E?

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30/05/2019 7:51 am  
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How many weeks do you stay on with 150-175 mg/weeek of Test E?

Six weeks on. Seven off. Going by feel, I felt normal again around the fifth week of pct.

Guijr: I don't mind answering your questions but I'm wondering.... are you conducting some type of research?

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30/05/2019 8:18 am  
Posted by: Wheelies
Six weeks on. Seven off. Going by feel, I felt normal again around the fifth week of pct.

Guijr: I don't mind answering your questions but I'm wondering.... are you conducting some type of research?

W.

Yes and no, I work as a Strength and Conditioning instructor and Personal Trainer and so far I have published an abstract in the journal of ACSM. Next year I'll probably publish and present a paper related to AAS prevalence in my country at NSCA's meeting.

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30/05/2019 8:44 am  

W -- Just wondering what made you think that I was involved in researching?

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30/05/2019 9:00 am  
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W -- Just wondering what made you think that I was involved in researching?

I besides dabbling in body building and cycling, I have ESP

Seriously though......you ask alot of questions and I just felt that your questions were not for personal comparisons but for other uses. Most people here asks questions when it's something that may personally affect them. Whereas, (in my observation) you just ask for curiosity's sake.......Not that this is bad.

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30/05/2019 9:30 am  
Posted by: Wheelies
I besides dabbling in body building and cycling, I have ESP

Seriously though......you ask alot of questions and I just felt that your questions were not for personal comparisons but for other uses. Most people here asks questions when it's something that may personally affect them. Whereas, (in my observation) you just ask for curiosity's sake.......Not that this is bad.

W.

So you think I'm not an active user or planing to use in the near future, huh? Who knows? I research Andrology and TRT as well, hundreds of papers... And talking about curiosity, that's what research is all about!

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30/05/2019 9:51 am  
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So you think I'm not an active user or planing to use in the near future, huh? Who knows? I research Andrology and TRT as well, hundreds of papers... And talking about curiosity, that's what research is all about!

What you use or don't use is not my concern (unless you ask). But, I think that if you're using this forum for your research paper(s)....Please be up front about it.

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