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kim doug
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I think I already know what most of you would say to this, but I think it bears asking one more time as specific as possible.

I have just started researching what I can find on carb cycling. The most specific advice I see on the subject defines high, med and low days of carb intake as well as defining the best times for them during the day. It ultimately predicts a maintenance caloric rate and defines a percentage (per bodytype) modifier for growing or losing.

With that all said, If one (me) is on a moderate test cycle, would I really waste the cycle trying to slowly lose fat while on cycle? If the protein is all there, but the carbs and fats are slightly lower to be under maintenance, what will the effect be on muscle growth (on cycle)? If it severely hinders it, then I guess weight loss should not be tried while on moderate 'bulking' gear (like test), right?

I guess I am asking in the positive growth environment of a cycle, is it possible to lose fat and gain some muscle at the same time, if there is plenty of protein and a clean diet available?

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Posted by: kim doug
I think I already know what most of you would say to this, but I think it bears asking one more time as specific as possible.

I have just started researching what I can find on carb cycling. The most specific advice I see on the subject defines high, med and low days of carb intake as well as defining the best times for them during the day. It ultimatelypredicts a maintenance caloric rate and defines a percentage (per bodytype) modifier for growing or losing.

With that all said, If one (me) is on a moderate test cycle, would I really waste the cycle trying to slowly lose fat while on cycle? If the protein is all there, but the carbs and fats are slightly lower to be under maintenance, what will the effect be on muscle growth (on cycle)? If it severely hinders it, then I guess weight loss should not be tried while on moderate 'bulking' gear (like test), right?

I guess I am asking in the positive growth environment of a cycle, is it possible to lose fat and gain some muscle at the same time, if there is plenty of protein and a clean diet available?

THX

the answer you are seeking is.......yes.it is possible to lose a substantial amount of BF% and gain some serious muscle mass while on cycle, assuming your diet is geared up for that direction.


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care to elaborate?


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It is possible to put on muscle and lose bodyfat while on cycle if the diet is right... within reason though. A "substantial" amount of muscle and drop in bodyfat is dependent on drugs AND diet, carb rotation not being ideal for substantial gains.

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I'd agree with NVS. You can loose bf% while cycling carbs and retaining most of your muscle BUT if you want to gain serious or sizable amounts of mass carb cycling is NOT the way to go.

If you're looking to gain more than 10-15lb year than I wouldnt use carb cycling and if you want to loose alot of fat like more than 20lb than cycling isnt the way to go.

Cycling works well if you're already in good condition, meaning you're lean already.

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kim doug
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Wow! just what I was looking for.

So if carb cycling is not the thing to do while on a mass cycle, what might the ratios look like with a focus on gaining mass only? Just massive calories with 1-2gm protein/lb plus limiting unhealthy fats?

I got another question, but I'll not dilute the focus yet...

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Ratio's are hard to predict b/c it's an individual thing.

I would say keep your carbs high and keep a journal as well as be consistent with it to see what kind of progress you make while bulking.

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BTW, it's been 4 weeks on a 600mg prop cycle, and it really feels like the stride is starting to come on. Waistline shrinking ever so slowly and strength and size coming on well. Doing 20 min cardio every morning.

I have really tried to reverse a trend of working chest first and replaced that with shoulders, shoulders and more shoulders, and I think it is working. In my book it is almost impossible to have shoulders over developed in proportion (maybe on a few freaks, but certainly not me), and have tried to focus on the weakest (size wise) part of my body.

I was initially on a reasonably low carb diet. A few days ago, I started adding some complex carbs in with each meal. Have also started to eat low gly fruits a couple of times a day. I definitely feel more full and pumped. Will keep it up to see if it was just the marathon workout week right up to X-mass.

Thanks for the advice.


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