Dairy while cutting?

depends on your goals really, are you just leaning out or contest prep.

Hey Rambone, I am just leaning out. I am 5'8 212 at a little over 12% now and I am looking to get to about 8-9%. I am running Prop/Tren/Winny/t3 right now and consuming about 2600-2800 kcals/day. The majority of which are coming from protein (about 350-370gms/day).

I don't think it will be a problem unless you were trying to get way down (2-3%), then you may have to dairy way down or even out all together.

Dairy doesnt make you fat. Calories do Dairy in moderation is an excellent tool for dieting down! Dont forget , Dairy also contains Calcium, which has been shown to reduce body fat in test subjects, also, it has vitamin's A and D, is generally low in fat, and low in calories! Unless your in contest prep mode (which involve's extreme dieting) they're is no reason a diet cant contain dairy! I personally have 1 glass a milk a day, and cottage cheese and and cup of oat's before bed every night! whether im cutting or not!

i personally think milk should be avoided when trying to cut down... heres an excerpt from a john berardi article that u may find interesting... "milk has been getting a reputation lately as a highly insulinotropic (insulin-releasing) food. In a study done in 1996 and published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, dairy products like ice cream and yogurt had huge insulin responses (Am J Clin Nutr. 1997 Nov;66(5):1264-76.). And in a few studies last year published in the British Journal of Nutrition, milk was discussed as a highly insulin-releasing drink (Br J Nutr 2000 Mar;83 Suppl 1:S149-55). In the studies above, dairy products seem to release insulin out of proportion with their glycemic index (or the rate of glucose appearance into the blood). A few other studies were conducted to examine what component (the lactose, the protein, etc) of milk actually leads to this large insulin release. It appears that it's not the lactose content that leads to the insulin response since both normal skim milk and low-lactose skim milk lead to the same high insulin levels (Z Ernahrungswiss 1987 Mar; 26(1): 52-5.). From this work, it appears that the interaction between either the protein components of milk and perhaps some other unknown components of milk may be responsible for the insulin release. So what does all this mean? Well, if insulin is high in the blood, it can prevent lypolysis (fat breakdown). And if you're drinking milk and it leads to high insulin levels in the blood, you may be preventing some fat breakdown that might normally occur. How big is this effect? Probably not all that huge, but when dieting we need every little bit of help that we can get so perhaps milk should be avoided when dieting. Another thought has to do with milk allergies. When discussing milk allergies I am not referring to lactose intolerance. Milk allergies manifest as excess mucous production, difficult breathing (ashma-like condition) gastrointestinal distress, skin rashes, and cardiovascular complications. While full-blown milk allergy is only present in a small percentage of the population, it is clear that a larger percentage of the population may have mild forms of food allergies. Since one of the main effects of milk allergy is a large immune and inflammatory response, it only stands to reason that in those with even mild milk allergies, water retention and abnormal responses to training and dieting could manifest." as for the yogurt, it depends on the type... pretty much any flavoured yogurt is packed full of sugars and sweeteners, making it just about as bad as having sugar laden cereals... but if u stick with the omega 3, all natural bio-best yogurt, i think for the probiotic benefits alone, its got a place in ur diet... i like to throw in plain yogurt with my shakes b4 i go to bed... so ill have like vanilla protein, yogurt, cottage cheese, udos oil and greens+ b4 i go to bed, and that would be fine

Again props to London, another solid post with great info for everyone to learn. The info in his thread is exactly why dairie is pulled from a competitors show prep very early in the diet. Good thread. JP.

i appreciate the kind words Al **sniffle** 😉

Definitely great info, answered some questions for me. Thanks for posting that London!

Good post london - very informative. I think dairy is fine when cutting just depends on how much you have of it. Shouldnt have too much but a lil is always fine.